PHOTOS OF NANKING MASSACRE January 9, 2007
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It was around 1989 that China started energetically conducting anti-Japanese education on school children. Please think back on what happened around 1989 in the world. As you may know, in Eastern Europe, socialist countries turned toward democratization one after another and socialist system collapsed in a blink of an eye. In the same year 1989, around the middle of April, in China’s capital city Beijing, a lot of ordinary people mainly university students started gathering in Tiananmen Square to appeal for democratization. About one and a half months after that, there were more than 100,000 people in Tiananmen Square. Furthermore, the democratic movement that started in Tiananmen Square grew and spread throughout the country. The Chinese Communist Party, which had a sense of crisis about the democratic movement’s growing momentum then, cracked down on more than 100,000 people with military weapons on June 4, 1989. It led to bloodshed. This is the Tiananmen Square incident.
After the Tiananmen Square incident, the Chinese Communist Party, which tried desperately to maintain single-party regime then, set up Japan as an imaginary enemy and decided to strengthen anti-Japanese education to turn public dissatisfaction with politics toward Japan. The Chinese Communist Party started putting its energy into implanting deep-seated grudge against Japan in school children’s mind. The Chinese Communist Party included many blood-thirsty photos of so-called “the Nanking Massacre” of “Japanese soldier’s atrocities” in history textbooks for Chinese school children. Surprisingly, however, there is not a single photo that proves that the Nanking Massacre happened actually, moreover, there is not a single photo that proves even that Japanese soldiers committed atrocities against Chinese people. I can hear your angry voice such as “No way! You’ve got to be kidding, right?” It is natural that the people who believe the Nanking Massacre should be disagreeably surprised to hear that.
Do you know how many photos China is presenting as photos of the Nanking Massacre? Do you know how many photos is the Nanking Massacre Memorial Hall (in Nanjing) exhibiting to prove Japanese soldiers’ atrocities in Nanking 1937? There are 143 photos in all. A professor of intellectual history at Asia University, Higashinakano Shudo examined each of those 143 photos for several years. Higashinakano investigated each of those 143 photos scholastically and indicate the source of each photo. (ex.. who shot it? when/where was it shot? when was it released to the public for the first time?) At last, Higashinakano reached a conclusion that all 143 photos that China is presenting are fake, fabricated or utterly irrelevant to the Nanking Massacre. That is to say, there is not a single photo that proves that there was the Massacre in Nanking 1937. And he compiled a whole book of this conclusion and published “Analyzing the Photographic Evidence of Nanking Massacre” in 2005. 
His book was sold one hundred thousand for one year from it was first published. And he appeared in the several TV show. Therefore, putting aside the argument whether the Nanking Massacre or not, among the Japanese people, there has been growing recognition that China is presenting dubious photos in the name of Nanking Massacre’s photos even though there is not a single photo to prove the Nanking Massacre.
Do you know when the Nanking Massacre Memorial Hall (in Nanjing) opened? It opened in 1985 that 48 years had passed since 1937 that the Nanking Massacre is thought to have happened. Both Hiroshima Atomic Bomb Museum and Nagasaki’s Museum opened in 1955 that 4 years passed since 1951 that Japan’s autonomy was restored with the conclusion of the San Francisco Peace Treaty. (=They opened 10 years after the war ended.) Do you wonder what did China do for the pest 48 years? In all of quotations from Chairman Mao Zedong (1893 – 1976) , Mao Zedong did not have a word out about the Nanking Massacre. Do you know when Iris Chang (1968 – 2004) published “the Rape of Nanking”? She published the book in 1997 for the first time. Iris Chang said that she was shown photos of the Nanking Massacre at Chinese American’s meeting in 1994, was shocked by the cruelty of Japanese soldiers and decided to write a book. Two years later after that, Iris Chang took two years to write “The Rape of Nanking”. “The Rape of Nanking” was sold over half a million and became a bestseller in America. It’s not an exaggeration to say that “the Rape of Nanking” expanded awareness of the Nanking Massacre to the world.
Meanwhile, almost Japanese people didn’t know what were written in “the Rape of Nanking”. Because it was 2008 that “the Rape of Nanking” was published in Japanese. Iris Chang wanted to publish her book in Japan earlier. But the Japanese publishing company, Kashiwa Shobo, which Iris Chang asked to publish Japanese version of this book, oppositely advised Iris Chang to correct many errors of “the Rape of Nanking” before translating English into Japanese. The Japanese publisher, Kashiwa Shobo said to Iris Chang, “As you may know, in Japan, there are controversy as to whether the Nanking Massacre happened or not. So in Japan, some historians insist the Nanking Massacre happened, but other historians deny the Nanking Massacre as absolutely groundless. Your “the Rape of Nanking” are pointed out more than 90 errors by both sides of historians. Especially, most of 90 errors were caused by lack of knowledge about Japanese history at the Japanese compulsory education level. Can you publish such a book without any correction in Japan?” But Iris Chang did never take advice from the Japanese publisher. According to Iris Chang, she heard the story of the Nanking Massacre from her parents, she learned it, she looked photos of the Nanking Massacre and she was shocked at pictures of Japanese soldiers’ atrocities. In other words, Iris Chang believed hoax, she was shocked at fake pictures and she wrote a cheap novel. In 2008, “the Rape of Nanking” was translated textually into Japanese and was published in Japan. “The Rape of Nanking” has become generally recognized as a nonsense novel among the Japanese.
TAMAGAWABOAT 
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as subjectively as possible 
Dear TAMAGAWABOAT
My grand father told me that China was dark continent until some 70 years ago.
They killed foreigners and own people in the most brutal acts.
The followings link was some proof taken by Swiss photographers in Shanghai in 1937.
http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9609/23/rare.photos/index.html
For Chinese, brutality was everyday incidents. This is the background of Nanking Massacre. Chinese believed that Japanese did the similar if they were Japanese.
For Chinese, brutality was everyday incidents. This is the background of Nanking Massacre. Chinese believed that Japanese did the similar if they were Japanese.
You are placing the blame of Nanking Massacre, where it was estimated that 300,000 people died, on the pure “belief” that Chinese people, in general, are violent and commit Brutality everyday?
Yes, there are reports where violence in China have been exemplified and shown through mass-media in North America. Let’s be reasonable, would YOU have stood cowardly down while other people came and didn’t care whether or not you suffered to death? Of course Chinese people rose up and fought back! Of course there will be pictures showing Chinese soldiers killing Japanese people, but it’s PURE HUMAN INSTINCT. These soldiers are losing their family to these Japanese, and THEY will DIE themselves if they didn’t fight back.
You are expecting, that in a country of the size of China, that there are no violence? You are just blinded then. Do you know how many people die in the US everyday just because someone in US just decided they’re going to shoot people? You are blaming the victims of this war, the Chinese people, by the pure belief that Chinese people are just violent? Then why don’t you say that Columbine, and countless other gun massacres in the US is just the US government propaganda in attempt to suppress the US citizens? It doesn’t matter right? It’s just that US citizens are violent and commit brutality every day.
“where it was estimated that 300,000 people died”
Sorry but that figure is absolute nonsense.
There was a massacre in Nanjing on the same scale as the Bombing of Dresden.
This is the underlying issue with China’s politicization and gross exaggeration of the massacre. You could say it’s crude to argue over how many innocent people were massacred, but so long as China desires to equate the atrocity to a Holocaust, it’s relevant to debunk that bold-faced lie.
IJA were brutal, but there was no genocide and no holocaust.
Why is it Communist China** uses fraudulent photos that are easily demonstrated to predate the massacre, display other events, or crop pictures to change their meaning (there’s an infamous Japanese propaganda photo showing IJA sharing food with Chinese — then cropped and recaptioned to claim IJA are raping Chinese women) ??
Let’s not pretend Communist China is a reputable source and not adept at 1984-esque Propaganda.
**who, unlike the Nationalist Chinese, hardly fought in WWII preferring to remain in hiding. The Communists allowed the Nationalists to take the brunt of Japanese aggression … and then once WWII was over, they finished the Nationalists off driving them to Taiwan.
The Communists really have no right to claim anything wrt WWII.
The very worse way to deal with historical evidence is denial, and the only way to have hope for building a better world and to be able to share life on earth in a peaceful manner is humble acceptation and taking responsibility in an aduld way. It has nothing to do with politics and even less with faith, what i say, because in don’t believe in any god and politics are just a very doubtful benefit to our society…. Try just to take full responsibility for all of your acts every day and let us turn the pages of hate and aggression without denying what happened
I am dutch. my little country once was very wealthy because my ancestors rapes the colonies of indonesia and suriname, because their boats shipped hundreds of thousands of black africans as slaves to the americas, and after the second world war, where many of the dutch colonizers in indonesia have suffered under a shameful japanese suppression, the dutch army has commited big war crimes against the people of atjeh so i know how it feels from both sides…. unfortunately like many other people….
Let us built something peaceful from now on
there is no excuse for beheading, there is no understanding for shooting a baby’s head off in the arms of his mother, there is no excuse for raping women and children in the most humiliating and violent way. And there can never be an excuse to behave like that. In war-time, simple human beings take the liberty to forget all about their own responsibility for every one of their acts and feel free to follow the most abject of human instincts for a king, an emperor, for a cause like communism or for some god. we witness to what that leads, again every day until this day, all over the world. I can only say that every person at every moment in time should take time to think about his role in what is going to happen…. And not deny history but learn from it instead
http://www.japantoday.com/jp/news/397191/all
Yes, so you counter loads of documented, printed, internationally acknowledged evidence with a book written by a Japanese nobody in the Japanese peanut gallery? Who the f*** is this author? Why doesn’t he publish in English? What are his sources? What war was this then? How many people died according to his calculations? How — were ladies raped and murdered or not? WTF are you on about?
“documented, printed, internationally acknowledged evidence ”
Where is acknowledged?
Fact remains most of these photos predate the massacre… and that’s easily demonstrated.
Why the need to lie outright and fabricate?
He does publish in English;
The Nanking Massacre: Fact Versus Fiction a historian’s quest for the truth
Higashinakano Shudo
trans. Sekai Shuppan
Tokyo:Sekai Shuppan 2005
yes, he publish in English, Very poor English. Obviously, the author was a Japanese. After so many years being blamed on and so many pictures being published, even on Japanese newspapers, how dare he deny that? Well, the only reason is that he is a Japanese. I can understand your extreme patriotism. However, please be honest to yourself and to the history.There may be some “fake” pictures in order to impress people, but most of the pictures we can see today is took during the war time by American Journalists. the majority are real and sorrow. How can a human being say this is totally manipulated event in front of those bloody evidence!!
“but most of the pictures we can see today is took during the war time by American Journalists”
Americans weren’t even in the country.
If you are going to type a sentence like “be honest to yourself and to the history”… why make up bs as you go like this?
You only prove it’s you who has the preconceived notions.
The “rape of Nanking” happened. Be man enough to stand up and take responsibility so that we can, perhaps, learn from it.
Some people can’t face the crimes of their Country. They seem to want always to walk in the light.
Dangerous thing, this light.
Blinding…
Guys, we have to have an objective, un-biased view toward historical facts.
DO NOT get blinded by those Chinese propagandas.
As you can see from these phontos, it’s so obvious that the “Rape of Nanjing” was intentionally fabricated by Chinese activists like Iris chang.
We need to face the “TRUE” history, Not those cheap nagative Anti-Japanese campaign!!!
how can it all be propaganda? have you seen all the pictures? like the one that shows the intestines of a person? the fetus speared on a bayonet? or the severed heads hanging from a lamppost?
by the way, iris chang researched her book for five years and then killed herself after its publication because she was so depressed.
if the japanese had the crazy idea of bombing pearl harbour, why wouldn’t they murder people in nanking?
there’s even been a judgement day for the war crimes of the japanese.
Pearl Harbor was a legitimate military target, and surprise attacks are legitimate military strategy.
Did a massacre occur? The record of foreign citizens (particularly the German doctor) confirm as much.
Is Communist China (which sat out the war waiting for the Nationalists to be weakened by the Japanese) grossly exaggerating the events for political gain? That too is obvious.
Iris Chang’s book is by no means a legitimate source. I realize it’s very popular with those who buy anything that says best-seller… but it’s been debunked by Historians many times over.
Her suicide is unfortunate, but rather ironic considering she essentially chose to follow the same path as foolish kamikaze too proud to admit they were wrong.
U don’t know anything about China, and you had no idea as all your ancestors had been killed by Japanese. You know how the Japanese King educated their people, beside Japanese King is the only god in the world, other people in this world are not humans. You know how they killed those innocent Chinese? and you know how they raped those innocent young Chinese girls? don’t ever judge anything if you don’t know anything well!
“as subjectively as possible”
how do you expect people to believe this if your post is subjective??
or do you just not know enough english?
Thanks for clearing this up i never believed in these fake Photos either. I’m Chinese and i believe Nanking Massacre was fake too.
No doubt some people got killed but not like they claim its all exaggerations and fabrications.
How can ye say that,ye people were slaughtered like cattle by the japanese and one person I know whom is also Chinese has the proof of it,his mum had been kidnaped by them to be used for torture and as a sex slave,ye should be ashamed of yeself!
If you’ve forgotten, blogs exist to exhibit an individuals’ perspective (and this individual here is definitely in denial). No offense, but what kind of idiot relies on a blog to get reliable historical facts?
A japanese blog, too, not to mention. I’m not racist, but it’s well-known that the Japanese government has not fully admitted the crimes and the atrocities that they have committed during the WWII. In comparison to the Nazi’s, that’s pretty damn messed up (and both the Germans and Japanese were equally as nationalistic). It most certainly will not make them look better to the rest of the world if they can’t admit their wrongdoings.
To the author: Ask international historians about what they know of the Nanking Massacre, and they will acknowledge that it has indeed happened. Please stop hiding yourself in that fantasy world of yours.
Why are netizens so shallow?
NOTE TO ALL: Not everything you read on the internet is true. Excluding my comment here, but if you still doubt, I guarantee that you will be able to confirm my words with a more legitimate source. And most definitely not this source here.
“it’s well-known that the Japanese government has not fully admitted the crimes and the atrocities that they have committed during the WWII”
Whose in denial now?
This is why this “debate” is so bs.
You have your preconceived notions and misinformation… but never bothered to actually check any facts.
It’s just like the anti-whaling issue… whales are cute; nobody should eat them; bla bla bla. Forget that they’re not endangered and it isn’t an environmental issue.
Forget any fact-checking… you’re white and that makes you right. The Facts be damned.
But don’t take my word for it. From Stanford
http://www.nippon.com/en/in-depth/a00703/
(See… it’s possible to find sources with White Authors that you can’t attack with your racist ad hominems. You should be judging the validity of content by its veracity, not by the skin color of the authors… but unfortunately you’ve demonstrated you can’t handle that.)
My God, you are really a dickhead! Dont u have any patriotic spirit in ur mind?
These photos are indeed propaganda. To be exact. The Chinese Nationalist propaganda. They had people dress up in Japanese uniform and pretending that they did the killing.Very obvious, how on earth can you manage to take photo of any murder and atrocityies in real action.Will you be killed by the enemy first and the film you took destroy ? Who would dare to have the gut to take those kinds of pictures.
Even if some has the wildest imagination thinking that it is the orgies madness from the enemy.Even if they took those photos,will that allow those photos to be published. Furthermore those pictures are included without any kind of credential given to them.
Guess what . I am Chinese. Those people of my own origin who say they “love” their country may say that I am a traitor. I can say I would rather be a traitor than a liar.
How can our chinese people include those propaganda photos taken by the nationalist to be included in their photographic evidence as prove of Japanese brutality.Propaganda is propaganda. Its purpose is to deceive the enemy and to boost up the fighting spirit on the homefront.Those pictures may illustrate some of the experience the chinese people have been through with the Japanese soldiers.
Just think about it. How can anybody take photo of the enemy in action in commtting atrocity against our own people very close proximity. In those days in 1937, they do not have high power zoom digital camera and other similar technology.
My grandfather was a photographer in those years and he can testify that those photos were nationalist propaganda to boost further hatred of the Japanese enemy.
I am chinese and I am also a person believe in truth. I can say I’d rather be called a “chinese traitor” than to be a liar.
Can we capture on camera our enemy executing our own people IN CLOSE UP in real camera action ? The honest to God answer in NO.
Some grusome pictures may be taken after the enemy committed the act of atrocity but a number of them were taken for military propaganda purpose.THE REAL TRUTH IS THE CHINESE NATIONALIST CANNOT CONTINUE WITH THEIR COMBAT. THEIR COMMUNIST ALLIED LEFT THEM AND RETREAT WAY BACK INTO THE INTERIOR WHERE THE JAPANESE DID NOT ADVANCE.The Japanese could advance further and capture the interior and fight the communist and why they didn’t ?!They only capture all the major cities and regions along the seafront and not further into the interior.
Well , who really response to the lost of the war in china ? The retreating Nationalist or the “cunning” communist ?
Hi guys, Nanjing massacre happened. You are a fool to believe that it didn’t. It’s in the records all over the world. Just face what your country did, you coward.
I’m Japanese and we all learn about this in history class. Nobody in Japan said or believe it didn’t happen, we all know Nanking Massacre actually happend. but the photos and evidence China provided were found and prove to be fake. They wanted to raise more hatred towards Japan so they pulled a little trick and some people in Japan found the trick they used is all they are saying.
Shameful. The pictures I’ve seen could not have been faked. Own up to what your countrymen did, then you can be forgiven and we all can move on.
Why cant the japanese kill the chinese?the chinese are stupid enuff to surrender what,at that moment in time,china has more pple in the world but yet they surrendered,STUPID!
do you even know under what conditions the chinese surrendered? even if they are cowards, this has nothing to do with the citizens of nanking.
I don’t know if the Chinese government has fabricated photos of the Nanking Massacre or not, but most of the real and original pictures came from Americans and other foreigners, such as religious missionaries and business people. Some of the Japanese historians and their politicians have denied this incident, but the Nanking Massacre is recognized worldwide. I also personally believe that it occurred.
Japanese people got tiny pennies, that’s why they are angry people and raped nanking, korea, malayasia and many more then it shruck further when they refuse to admit it since everyone is now pissed off with them. Where is the japanese pride gone? gonna whitewash everything now you japafreaks
To Japanese Emperor
Why are the japanese “stupid enuff to surrender” after the US nuked them?
To A Real Chinese
A “real Chinese” should know some real chinese history: the japanese advanced as far as Xi’an…
To Chan Yuk Sang & L M
OK, get the facts straight then tell me about whats true and what’s false. Those photos were taken by foreigners and by Japanese – those who either had enough sence in them to keep them to testify (which is how we have them today) or who were inhuman enough to keep them as suveniers to remember their games of killing.
To CanadaOne
If the Chinese government was “intentionally fabricating” these acts for anti-Japanese propaganda, then tell me: Why are the Chinese government today actually opressing anti-Japanese demonstrations in China and banning films (like Memoir or Gaesha for instance) especially to dissuade such riots from developing?
To Red Bean
“For Chinese, brutality was everyday incidents.”
Oh? Prove it, because I highly doubt it.
Wasn’t the fall of the Qin dynasty the cause of its “brutality”, and why the people of China call themselves the Han (after the succeding dynasty) and not Qin? The Qin regime did not last for half a century so I HIGHLY doubt that in China “brutality was everyday incidents” for the next 2,200 years.
That’s why we still hate you Japs. Not man enough to own up to what you did. Probably because of your small dicks.
SWORD GOD Zhuo Bufan has reached the peak of perfection in swordplay.
Dear,Mr.
>To CanadaOne
>If the Chinese government was “intentionally fabricating” these acts for anti->Japanese propaganda, then tell me: Why are the Chinese government today actually >opressing anti-Japanese demonstrations in China and banning films (like Memoir or >Gaesha for instance) especially to dissuade such riots from developing?
—wow, it’s amazing to know how naive you are!
CCP is opressing Anti-Japanese activities SIMPLY BECAUSE YOUR GOVERNMENT STRONGLY NEED THE SUPPORT FROM JAPAN!!
–for Olympics, Shanghai exhibitions, etc.
HuJingtao and his friends were shocked (exclaiming a huge “Aiyaa!”) at the result of the national survey that more than 75% of Japanese actually dislike Chinese (in 1972, 72% of Japanese liked China).
As more Japanese came to see those morons in Shanghai and Beijing screaming, throwing stones and tomatoes to the Japanese restaurants, Embassy and Consulates, and beating up innocent students from Japan, they are coming to notice the “mentalities of most (but not all) Chinese” and most of Japanese now dislike Chinese.
-Why this trend problematic?
CCP was now afraid that growing feeligs of dislike would result in Japan stopping its financial and technological support. this would cause fatal damage upon China’s economy.
While China’s working really hard internally to “create some friendly moods with Japanese”, they are still performing Anti-Japan Campaigns in US, by employing Chinese Americans (and some dirty-handed money grabbers like M.Honda).
You just reapeadly shout the same phrase “Prove it! Prove it! Prove it!!!”Why don’t you just go google or library and find it?
–Oops!! I AM TERRIBLY SORRY…
I’ve totally forgot it’s impossible to reach any truth in your lovely country. only things you are allowed to see in China are the fabrications and false glorification of the Chinese History and Communism.
We have Democracy in Canada and Japan like elsewhere,
but in China….ok, forget it.
excuse me, but can i ask why the japs want to give china so much money? (if it’s for investment then japan’s not too stupid)
hey CanadaOne I should have read your comment two years ago… but yeah I am also from Canada and I learnt that the nanking massacre did happen in high school world history. (i guess u didnt go to high school then?) ok i do agree that in China the commies are hiding/blocking lots of things but it doesn’t affect the fact that it did happen. i’m not an expert so i can’t tell wether the photos are fake but as some other ppl pointed out here, most of the pics were taken by foreigners or the japs themselves. they even published a few themselves (like the killing chinese contest as a “sport”) as they were proud of that. some ppl didnt get how the photos were taken during a war but i guess they didnt know there were war correspondents and foreigners working there. and how can one deny such large scale of murder? do they really have to dig the mass graves for evidence?
The Japanese were brutal to Australians, Americans and whoever they captured in World War 2. Why would they be any different to Chinese except more brutal still. Japanese should be taught why they are still rememberd with hate around the world.
why some japanese can’t admit what they did in the past, we dont’ ask for anything but just an apology.
i know we have to move on coz this was what happened almost 60 years ago. but, please, don’t whitewash this history. dont tell lie again so as not to hurt feeling of the both countries.
i have many japanese friends and we sometimes talk about sensitive topics like politics and history. and it turns out they knew what happened in China, which to me, was great a surprise. so, don’t ruin the image of your japanese.
i know japanese could feel superior in terms of economy, techonology as well as democracy. and we know it and admire it. but maybe you need a change in your attitude when it comes with the problem of history.
I don’t believe for a second that any of the people who have claimed to be Chinese on this site are in fact Chinese.
This man may have his works translated into English, but that doesn’t mean anyone gives a shit. The Japanese committed atrocious acts of violence to enemy prisoners during the war.
All of the conspiracy bullshit that you’ve pulled out your ass can’t cover that fact.
Also, I don’t doubt that the Chinese tortured or killed Japanese soldiers, it could have very well happened. The war was vicious for both sides.
Also, you seem to be forgetting, people have an infinite capacity to be horribly horribly cruel to their fellow humans.
That includes the whites, the blacks, the chinese, the japanese, the germans, the spanish, etc., etc.
OK, so you say that the photo of the baby was staged. It could have been, but I’m skeptical as to why they would record evidence that their propaganda was a fraud.
And guess what, just because that one photo may have been staged by the CCP doesn’t discredit all the evidence. (FYI for everyone out there, the CCP under Mao were responsible for more killings than Stalin and Hitler)
There are massive amounts of photographic evidence that incriminate the Japanese of crimes at Nanking. On top of that you actually have veteran JAPANESE SOLDIERS who admitted to the crime!
Are they in league with the CCP too?
I guess to a fucking brainwashed piece of mindless shit like you they must be in cahoots.
Look at the Japanese MO during the war. They’re absolutely guilty of the shit they pulled.
Finally, how dare you make claims of freedom and democracy when you’re spouting this crap. But, alas, I guess that’s the price you pay when you have the right and privilege to say whatever the hell you want…
P.S.- I’m white, as white as you can possibly be. My granddad was a medic in the Pacific during the war. One of my best friends is Chinese. Also, another one of my best friends is Japanese. I don’t think any less of them because of what some other guys did half a century ago. THOSE GUYS WEREN’T THEM! But that does not mean it didn’t happen.
Get over yourselves you pseudo-intellectual college yuppies and go eat a dick.
To all who feel Japan was victimized in this “Chinese propaganda”, let me ask you 1 simple question: Why was Japan sending hundreds of thousand of Japanese soldiers to China in the first place? As soon as you go out of your way and occupy an inch of soil of another soverign nation, you deserve to be punished, and you should not whine about it. The Americans, on the other hand, was wrong too in dropping 2 A-bombs. They should have dropped 20.
A message for you CanadaOne, I’m a Canadian too, and you should be ashmed when you realize that many Canadian veterans were put in concentration camps and brutally killed by Japanese in Hong Kong during the invasion there. You are doing them an injustice.
Well CanadaOne. I would not be too proud of your so called proved knowledge that can be found in books and the i-net. Your sarcasm doesn`t make you right either. It is easy to sit on your well placed warm ass in a country where you do not have to fight for your survival. Of course people like you prefer the easiest answer to a problem because it serves your own “Fighters for the real truth”-Propaganda the best. I do by no means doubt, that Chinese people did gruesome things to their own countrymen all along history. It is a fact, that traditionally for most of them there first comes the family and all people they know. For the rest for their fellow-chinese they usually give a shit.
But I doubt that a country like japan with such a vivid warrior-cult, that is still honoring soldiers of the sino-japanese war (Imagine Germans honoring Nazi-Soldiers…what a reaction would there be!!) can be trusted anyway. Japan is officialy keeping its dark past alive. On the surface it is running after the U.S. and making progress, but mentaly many things stayed the same as before. A lot of Japanese as well as Koreans are fond of “herrenvolk”-ideologies. So much about mentalities.
You are really optimistic if you think that for democratic countries the “truth” is more true than in countries like China. I just remember the re-election of dear Mr. Bush… we are all getting f** in the a* and at the same time we look for someone point the finger on. Irak is happening and everybody is lowering the head in front of the U.S. military force while they are giving a shit on international law (where were the chemical weapons after all??). North Korea is not of economic interest so nobody cares about what is happening to the people there (no oil there..). And how long did the apartheid last?!!! This is western freedom…
You are speaking of Sino-Japanese economic relationship as if it was one sided and Japan would not be in need of China as a partner…dream on. (Who is naive here?) Have you even studied the figures on economic relations between china and japan? Or do you think Japanese are just to good-hearted so they decided to support China..Even if there were anty-Japanese protests the Japanese would never let them influence their business in China too much. At the other hand, mass riots in an overpopulatet country can easily get out of control and are much more problematic than a figure of some japanese “liking” or “not liking” Chinese. Have you ever observed how much is needed that a country actually stopps its financial support. Japan could not effort open conflicts either, this is why they are always reacting to the protests of China and Korea concerning the Nanjing Historical documentation. If you do research then do it properly and do not just blame the CCP on making false propaganda and take this as a reason the negate anything said by the Chinese government. Or can you look people who were in Nanjing at the time in the eyes and deny what they had to experience? (I forgot that everything ist fake…including the westerness reports and that the japanese Army- unlike most of the wars in this world- did not rape women and murder civilians…. if only a part of this is true, then it is still reason enough to be accused )
It’s possible that the historical fact has been fractured. I think we have to examine the sources very carefully before concluding what really happened. Recently, I’ve read through some sources that are just so astounding: the atomic bombing of Japanese cities actually never happened! It’s a war propaganda of the USA to scare away USSR, while also an Japanese propaganda of accusing the USA for the war crime!
you guys are morons
yes,
i guess 300,000 people could have just up and vanished, because OBVIOUSLY the CCP is fabricating it all!
lets just disregard the soldiers who came forth to testify about the mass rape and murder
lets just disregard Japan’s the knowledge of Japan’s MO during the war
lets just disregard it all
i don’t believe for a second that the people who claim to be “Chinese” on this site are really chinese,
the japanese may care about this Shudo guy because he’s helping to make everyone forget the shit that was pulled during WWII, but the rest of the world doesn’t
go ahead and make up whatever excuses you want,
yes, the chinese were brutal, but that doesn’t mean the japanese weren’t as well
Obviously this became more political, or in “Japanese Emperor”‘s case, stupiditiy and pointlessness, rather than trying to remeber how many lives were lost (I’m sorry, the Nanking Massacre did occure since there are countless historical records FROM COUNTRIES OTHER THAN CHINA).
Yes, the politics behind historical events such as this is important, however, lest we forget the lives that were lost…that would be the real shame.
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so the massacre happened. it’s exaggerated on both sides. the chinese are pissed and making it bigger, the japanese feel guity and are making it smaller. honestly its like children arguing over who pushed who, except on a more serious scale. but its over. get over it. it happened like 70 years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
The Nanking massacre can be faked, but I don’t think the rest of these can all be faked as well.
Mass killings
R. J. Rummel, a professor of political science at the University of Hawaii, states that between 1937 and 1945, the Japanese military murdered from nearly 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000 people, most probably 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners of war. This democide was due to a morally bankrupt political and military strategy, military expediency and custom, and national culture.”[16] According to Rummel, in China alone, during 1937-45, approximately 3.9 million Chinese were killed, mostly civilians, as a direct result of the Japanese operations and 10.2 millions in the course of the war.[17]
The most infamous incident during this period was the Nanking Massacre of 1937-38, when, according to the findings of the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, the Japanese Army massacred as many as 430,000 civilians and prisoners of war, although the accepted figure is somewhere in the hundreds of thousands.[18] Similar crime was the Changjiao massacre. In Southeast Asia, the Manila massacre, resulted in the deaths of 100,000 civilians in the Philippines and in the Sook Ching massacre, between 25,000 and 50,000 ethnic Chinese in Singapore were taken to beaches and massacred.
Historian Mitsuyoshi Himeta claims that the “Three Alls Policy” (Sankō Sakusen) — a scorched earth strategy used by Japanese forces in China in 1942-45, and sanctioned by Hirohito himself, was in itself responsible for the deaths of “more than 2.7 million” Chinese civilians.
CanadaOne, would you tell me that the Holocaust did not happen either?? I am the granddaughter of a survivor. She was did nothing to deserve the treatment that she got for she was a mere child along with a lot of the victims of Nanking, did they deserve what they were subjected to? Are you going to tell me that all of these photographs are fabrications? What did the Japanese have to gain by taking photographs with rather large and foolish grins on their faces with the residue of their decapitations in their hands may I ask??
The nanking massacre did really happened, but why can’t the Japanese admit it? They killed so many people, but not only did they not admit it, they did not even feel guilty about it. This is what really pissed me off.
This is for the Japanese punk who likes to claim superiority over the chinese. You would’nt have the slightest of a chance to even exist if it were not for America’s decision to allow your pathetic ancestors the opportunity to sign a surrender of war treaty. My great grandfather fought against you cowards and enjoyed watching your sorry asses succumb to your own shame and demise. The next time you wish to lecture someone on democracy you better ask for my consent first; after all, you only exist because we allow you to. You better watch your senseless rhetoric before someone feels obligated to enlighten your people again. I have little tolerance for retarded people such as yourself and ultimately wish that people like you take advantage of the second opportunity that we have allotted you.
This is for Japanese Emporor and all of the other dumbasses out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!
O.K., I am still not finished. The only way to deal with these people is through a very direct and concise manner. Hard-headed people like the one’s on this page must be told ‘how it is’ by elaborating on the overall picture. To prove ignorance, we must establish a fact that has already been proven that they have ignored, such as we have already acquired sworn statements from the filthy Japanese soldiers that stated that the atrocities did infact occur in Nanking. Furthermore, Japanese Emporer stated that the chinese surrendered to the japanese because they were supposedly dumb; what about when the Japanese surrendered to the Allied Forces, they must have also been retarded. In all truth, I feel that the retarded claim is on the Americans for not finishing the Japanese off for good. It is obvious that this Jap does not deserve to live.
And for Another One, I can expect no less from George Bush when it comes to Iraq(not Irak). Saddam Hussein also signed a treaty stating that he would allow full arms inspection in his country. I do not know if you have forgotten, but Saddam defied that treaty through his refusal to allow arms inspection during a time that our country was under attack. We had an absolute right to invade his country and to topple his regime. Saddam committed crimes against humanity as well by using chemical warfare on the Kurdish people as well as in the Iran/Iraq war. How can you state that the crimes against humanity was wrong in Nanking and yet deny the wrongs of Saddam. It seems that you also need a few more facts. This is why our social fabric and our economy in America is so weak. Americans’ need to wake up and start working together again before we find ourselves truly divided. I am positive that your ancestory has contributed an enormous amount to this nation as well. However, now is the time where we must take on our predecessors role and strive to keep the truth at the forefront to our everyday lives. America has, without question, the right to defend its self against all forms of tyranny or its people will wind up like all of the others who have been subjected to such barbaric acts. I am voting for Senator John Mc Cain because he is the one who intends to protect our freedoms that my dad fought and died for.
yeah it never happened. All the evidence in Nanking is fabricated. You’re full of shit. THeres physical evidence and everything. Like kamikaze japanese dogs never happened. And the Atomic bomb never happened to end the jap war on terror
Its a shame that dumbasses like you are evn allowed to fucking think. One day you will meet the fate that those people did and preferably there will be jackasses like you to say that it never happened. I would discuss the inadequate logic that you have used to conjure up your assessment if I thought that there would be any gain from it. I will say that if the a-bombs were faked at that time then all of the proceeding events such as the cold war with Russia must have been faked too seeing as how the a- bomb was the advent of the nuclear era.
Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki never happened. It was a govt conspiracy.
wow.all I have to say is that nanking happened.without a doubt.u peeps need to just realize it already
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“Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki never happened. It was a govt conspiracy.”
LOL that there says it says it all, folks.
Oh, and CanadaOne.
While we’re on the subject of naive, I completely give up on trying to argue with your double standard about the CCP fabricating about the Nanjing Massacre and the CCP trying not to blame or upset Japan from fear of “boycott of the olympics” or “economic pressure”.
Just to let you know, China is both a militeristic and economic superpower, which has already surpassed Japan as a world supplier. And just for the record this is American statictics, not “Chinese propaganda”.
I really shouldn’t even begin to discuss Chinese history with you because obviously you don’t know a dime’s worth but…
The communist party was against anything old, so they’re not likely to “glorify chinese history”. And because of Deng Xiaoping, the China of today is more toward nationalism, capitalism, and even democracy than communism such as in the days of Stalin and Mao. The view that China is closed to the democratic world, like North Korea, is more a derogative western assumption. So I hope that dispells your notion that “anything you hear in China is false fabrication”.
this is b***s***; your argument is similar to saying that the Holocaust was a made up terror story; sure, there might be some sketchiness in select few pictures, but that does not change the fact that the the massacre occurred unless if you want to argue that the thousands of survivors are all secret government agencies and are paid a large sum of money to tell a coherent lie (if that’s the case, you need a psychologist to examine your self absorbed syndromes) ; you need to accept what happened and try to improve Japanese reputation by learning how to respect other people of all nations; try to convince others that Japanese people are not what history portray them to be; we are respectful, tender, loving, and strong. If you try to deny the facts, devastating events like the massacre will repeat…
Types of evidence supporting the actual existence of the Rape of Nanking:
1. Personal journals kept by Westerners in the “safety zone”
2. Official Japanese military communiques
3. Confessions by former Japanese soldiers who took part in the event
4. Reports from American journalists in the area before they were banned from being there
5. Actual movie footage taken by Americans under very, very dangerous circumstances
6. Memos and other papers from the Nazis
7. The war crime trials in which over 1000 people testified about the atrocity, with over 460 specific reports of cases of murder, rape, arson and looting.
8. Photographs taken by Japanese soldiers themselves
9. Newspaper clippings from Japanese publications
10. The physical evidence of the bodies left in burial pits.
aki_yamada2573, good point.
I am completely for moving on and accepting the Japanese as friends. After all, time has moved on: Japan is not the Japan of yesterday, nor is the living generation the generation of the war. It’s not fair to blame the people for the wrongs of an era before they were born, or of the generation that is, already, on its way out.
However, they do have to bare the facts as the unhampered truths recorded by history, no matter how ugly they are. Then, and only then could they move on. To deny these crimes is the same as committing the crimes themselves, because one is allowing them to be repeated, harming humanity in the future. It’s a snake that has to be killed. And only then could Japan take off this ugly mask placed upon it and reveal its true and glorious face to the rest of the world.
いつまで真実を無視するき？
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_Chinese_were_killed_by_the_Japanese_in_World_War_2
What about Unit 731? Don’t tell me that is also fake. The only reason that Chairman Mao didn’t speak of the Nanjiang Massacre was that he was trying to promote a strong diplomatic relationship with Japan. As for the Japanese education system, it’s heavily censorshiped. The last time I was in Japan was 1997 and their schools give a surprisingly biased education on modern history courses. There are indeed some photographic anti-japanese propaganda but to say that the Rape of Nanking never EXISTED is just laughable. John Rabe and Minnie Vautrin, first eye witness of the atrocities cannot be all propaganda? I don’t believe in teaching hatred to children and these anti-japanese movements aren’t needed. It was purely the japanese MILITARY not the japanese people. You can’t blame and hate people for the things that’s already done. However children should learn their own country’s history whether it be good or bad. I would recommend you to see the Magee film. It was made by an American missionary, John Magee, stayed behind to provide a 16mm film documentary and first-hand photographs of the Nanjing Massacre.
We all know that history is written by the victor, sooo ah… did the Japanese win? NO! they invaded china and the U.S. and ended up getting their ass blown away by the atom bombs. Ahem… yo nihonjins, do you even have a freakin army that can stand up to any country now? NO! so SHUT UP!!! You didn’t win!!! All high and mighty in your thrones made of BS. Look, you raided, you failed. You will never be a world military power cuz the U.S. controls your ass!
You ancestors sowed the seeds, now you reap the fruits. Have fun thinking how your countries epically failed while you’re sleeping tonight.
~stay in school dumb shits
Who the fuck is the author of this essay? I believe you live in a self-induced world of denial, or were you ever raped continuously by 10 men such that you have such a warped mind? Who in the world would believe the Nanjing MASSACRE is fake? Stop wasting internet space.
And to whoever who commented here that all those pics are Chinese propaganda, fuck all of you. DO read up on history. Are you all Japanese (acting as Chinese) trying to hide the fucked up truth of your country? I pity the future of Japan if it has youths like you all.
What the fuck. I’m not even from China but I am irritated at assholes who live in self-denial.
“Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki never happened. It was a govt conspiracy.”
I had to laugh at that. That summarises it all. Those japanese who still can’t accept the truth of their ancestors, please get a life.
>I had to laugh at that. That summarises it all. Those japanese who still can’t accept the truth of their ancestors, please get a life.
Then, why don’t American accept what Koreans and the former American soldier who served the Korean war have claimed about the No Gun Ri Massacre, but question about how many dead bodies there are, how those people were killed and if the U.S. military ordered its soldiers to massacre Korean civilians.
“In 2001, the U.S. military responded to the AP account with a report that included detailed aerial photographs taken on August 6 and September 19, 1950. According to analysis of the aerial imagery, the Army concluded there was no indication of bodies or of a mass grave, though there was evidence of strafing from airstrikes on an undetermined date. Because a large number of bodies would have been difficult to dispose of quickly, the Army report estimates that no more than 50 refugees could have been killed at No Gun Ri. The AP responded that the bodies may have been put under a bridge. A North Korean newspaper article published three weeks after the incident gave the number killed as 400.”
Yes, I never happed??? Ask for witnesses who went through living hell at that time. My best friend´s parents were killed in the Hirosima bombing, yes, no evidence??? You are so discrete about crimes, and smiling before a crowd. You Chinese and Japanese have a reputation for violence with no remorse. I´m not making this up. Salughter is part of your ancestry. Let´s take a tour thoughout China to see how you are eating living things and babies in fetus soup. Or worst, you can bump into an enclosed bang with a female girl inside. And about Royal families being spared indictment.You practice slavery up to these days. You have no reasoning and animals killed in search for food and you for the fun of feeling brave. That´s part of your ancestry, very like Muslims. Low self-esteem with no identity. You see emperors as gods, they are human carnage.
Yes, It never happed??? Ask for witnesses who went through living hell at that time. My best friend´s parents were killed in the Hirosima bombing, yes, no evidence??? You are so discrete about crimes, and smiling before a crowd. You Chinese and Japanese have a reputation for violence with no remorse. I´m not making this up. Slaughter is part of your ancestry. Let´s take a tour thoughout China to see how you are eating living things and babies in fetus soup. Or worst, you can bump into an enclosed bang with a female girl inside. And about Royal families being spared indictment.You practice slavery up to these days. You have no reasoning and animals kill in search for food and you for the fun of feeling brave. That´s part of your ancestry, very like Muslims. Low self-esteem with no identity. You see emperors as gods, they are human carnage. You can you in every Chinese restaurant a picture of the killers. Hystory needs no evidence, you can find it by live in most Asian countries.
Yes, It never happed??? Ask for witnesses who went through living hell at that time. My best friend´s parents were killed in the Hirosima bombing, yes, no evidence??? You are so discrete about crimes, and smiling before a crowd. You Chinese and Japanese have a reputation for violence with no remorse. I´m not making this up. Slaughter is part of your ancestry. Let´s take a tour thoughout China to see how you are eating living things and babies in fetus soup. Or worst, you can bump into an enclosed bang with a female girl inside. And about Royal families being spared indictment.You practice slavery up to these days. You have no reasoning and animals kill in search for food and you for the fun of feeling brave. That´s part of your ancestry, very like Muslims. Low self-esteem with no identity. You see emperors as gods, they are human carnage. You can you in every Chinese restaurant a picture of the killers. Hystory needs no evidence, you can find it by live in most Asian countries.
But among Chinese and Japanese people, are the ones with full criticims and acceptance for all of this. My due respect. Taking respondability is part of personal growth.
there are bad times in every culture’s history, perhaps you should read up on your own!
Higashinakanos English book is mainly based in his first major book about Nanking in Japanese (Nankin daigyakusatsu no tettei kensho, 1998). Since the 80s there has been a big discussion about the Massacre, and actually the discussion was over when the kaikosha, the japanese veteran association, held a survey among its readers about the massacre. That very very totally uber conservative organization was totally suprised when most soldiers acknowledged the massacre and so they had to do so, too. So actually the whole discussion about the massacre was over. Then in the 90s Higashinakano and others came up again to deny the massacre. although the only remaining big issue is just the exact number of victims. That the massacre happened has been proven many years ago. To call it a holocaust is a bit too much, though. And please…don’t think all Japanese are like Higashinakano or this Tama-guy here. Most academics and well educated people know about the facts more or less. Oh, and by the way…Iris Chang can be seen as the source for all this english publication of massacre deniers, since her really not well written book has encouraged them to counter-attack her. So this discussion is not about the past, but about current politics and peoples opinion. Greetz from another part of the world
Brianda, seriously what are you talking about? I don’t quite understand the logic in your attempt to dis Chinese and Japanese.
The Journal of Charles Lindberg reports that America killed nearly all the Japanese POW’s during WW2, but Japan treated American POW’s strictly according to the Geneva Accord.
Japan was the only nation during WW2 that respected and followed Geneva Accord. US Government records show that, unlike what TV propaganda programs (such as History Channel programs) still say these days, what people in US hear on TV are exactly the opposite of the truth.
Japan was the only nation during WW2 that never killed any civilian during WW2. America killed 3 million Japanese during WW2. America bombed every single city in Japan for the sole purpose of terrorizing Japanese. For example, America bombed Tokyo 101 times.
People of India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Burma, and Vietnam have shown their eternal gratitude to Japan in their national anthems. Indonesia is the only nation in the world that uses the Japanese Imperial Calendar (Year 2668 now) which was in use in Japan until the end of WW2. All the bills and coins in Indonesia are recorded with the Japanese Imperial Calendar. All the prime ministers of these nations in many occasions officially thanked Japan for liberating them from the evil oppressors (Britain, Holland, US, France). 800 Japanese soldiers remained in Vietnam after WW2 to train Vietnam Independence Force, and fought against France and US. These Japanese soldiers built Vietnam’s first military academy. The graduates of this school became commanders during Vietnam War. In 1986, Government of Vietnam awarded these Japanese soldiers with the Highest Medals of Honor.
to: ChinaKorea Buster
What about a quote of a wise little man:
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to…suffering.
oh, and by the way…all that stuff about south asian states…I see you have learned some stuff at your international politics class. But I think you missed some chapters.
ChinaKorea Buster, that’s the funniest bullshit I’ve heard. How about when the Japanese eat living Ausies and when they cut the penises off of captured GI and stick it in their mouths. There’s a reason why there were so few Americans who immediately fealt remorse for the bombing of Hiroshima.
“Japan was the only nation during WW2 that respected and followed Geneva Accord.”
“Japan was the only nation during WW2 that never killed any civilian during WW2.”
LMAO, you gotta be fuckin retarded.
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Chinese propaganda? What about the document that said “rape all, kill all, loot all” from Japan? What about the documents from all over the world? It wasn’t just the Communists, the GMD was there, the Americans were there, Soviet volunteers were there. What? They all fabricated these photos? Why would the Americans and Soviets bother? What about cutting down people as a sport? “Contest to kill 100 using a sword”
Even if it was just propaganda at least it is believable. How can you dare say “never killed any civilian” have you no god damned shame? There were also Chinese battalions on the Japanese side.
Why not do it like the Germans? Just come out and apologize then everyone would stfu no?
The Japanese are making propaganda. Trying to portray herself as a victim. Bombing Tokyo 101 times? WTF? I wouldn’t be wasting fuel and flying over 15 hours to Japan and bombing them “101” times. Notice it is an odd number, makes it sound more believable doesn’t it?
Ok so before the year Japan decides to rewrite history, everything the kids learned are suddenly Chinese propaganda. C’mon…
Hell people see America as evil dropping the bombs on Japan. If it weren’t for them then Asia would be like “TO DIE FOR THE EMPEROR” right now lol. Allies offered them shitloada chances to surrender but they didn’t take them.
Oh yeah and I highly doubt China had the technology to edit photos back then.
Vinegar Joe, Joseph Stilwell, one of major generals of USA present in the massacre.
Eh? Some Nazis assisted the Chinese
Anyone seen the 21 demands from Japan?
Really why the fuck would America attack Japan if it didn’t start shit? America attacks Japan when they didn’t do anything – why the fuck would they if Japan didn’t do shit.
Teach me the fabricated history. I’d like a good laugh
@ Someone who likes Japan b…
Dropping atmomic bomb has nothing to do with the US’s victory in Asia. They needed to do it so they could fully control Japan before the USSR came in. US fleets were right there before the boms were dropped. They did it only because to end the war before any other countries come in and say ‘let us separate Japan like we did with Germany.’ Unfortunately, the US and the USSR did this with Korea which had nothing to do with World War II. Otherwise, I hear you. I don’t like Japanese either for what they did and still not apologising.
i believe the cold war hadn’t started back then (it should be after WWII). and why would US want japan? it’s a freaking small country and its just an island without many natural resources. the japs learned FROM western countries during their revolution so they weren’t any more advanced then the US. the only reason i can think of is japan could act as a platform in asia for the states. but then if japan hadn’t attacked pearl harbor, US wouldn’t have had an excuse to do that.
>Really why the fuck would America attack Japan if it didn’t start shit? America attacks Japan when they didn’t do anything
Then, why did America and Americans allow Israel attack USS Liberty and let them kill American seamen and keep sending US tax money to aid Israel instead of dropping atomic bombs?
Yeah and saying it is impossible to film and take photos that up close is like saying all other footage and photos of other wars are all fake. *Cameras can zoom in you know?
Well I don’t know about cameras during WWII…
I don’t know but people aren’t suppose to attack field reporters are they?
Diaries and records – John Rabe, Minnie Vautrin – records the attrocities. Rabe < Nazi, Vautrin < American Missonary
John Magee – American missionary, first-hand photos of massacre
Seriously? What burns me up is that japan was nuked out of WWII and is somehow perceived by some as a victim when the truth is that they were depraved animals in Nanjing and elsewhere. the Japanese still can’t come to grips today with what bastards they were to the areas they occupied. I can admit my countries behavior in Iraq was appalling in certain instances yet you can’t come to grips with events involving Japan from the 1930’s and 1940’s.
I can not believe that in the war tribunal, they only punished the leadership. I watched the movie documentary, “Nanking” and some of those bastard soldiers that were still alive, were interviewed. They had smirks on their faces and looked as though they had fond memories of the rapes and killings as they were describing it. There is no justice in this world and no one can tell me that they will get what’s coming to them because they didn’t. These bastard soldiers lead a full uninterupted life, they should have been held accountable.
For all brain washed Japanese read tokyo tribunal ^^ and Learn The SHIT that do japanese army on China. ^^. I dont hate japanese, but said that all their atrocities were a fake is like mocking all their VICTIMS
JapnGOV (of youtube) dont try to hide all ur shit. My father have friends that hate Japanese before “anti-japanese education”.
Whydont u mention all the SHIT THAT JAPANESE GOV CONFIRM???
Fake Of Nanjing = A Japanese cleaning their shit with more shit.
I love China and Japan too … but after this, i don’t know which part is the right one ?! i hate wars :=(
I am a slave in Shanxi of China. If Japan liberated this miserable country, we must have been happier than today. We are still waiting for Japanese Imperial Army. Banzai!
if u were a slave, how can u go on the internet and type english? anyway, the japanese would not treat chinese people well. look at what they did in korea, vietnam, etc.
OMFG. What kind of sick retarded person wrote this. Why not ask for Nazists to free you.
omfg go fuck yourself slave lol
japanese army is very damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stop the fighting man and stop being racsist to each other u now wat imagine u had no memory of pre2009
it was the past and watever happened has gone but i tink the no killed has slightly exagerated 200000 people is like wipin a town out get real prob aroun 1000 peops killed but no more
what bullshit. how do you get that 1000 ppl estimation? nanking was not a small town but a big city – it had been the capital of china for several dynasties, so u shouldn’t be surprised that a large number of citizens were killed when the japs arrived and started the fucking massacre. if nazies could murder so many jewish ppl, why couldn’t the japs kill a lot of chinese too?
btw i do agree that its already history and no one should continue to hate, but then where is justice?
OPEN UP YOUR EYES IF NANKING MASSACRE DIDNT HAPPENED THEN WHY DOES THE JAPANESE GOVERNMENT LET THEIR OFFICIALS ASSIGNED IN NANKING BE EXECUTED FOR THESE CRIMES. MORONS WILL ALWAYS BE MORONS. I SAY ALL JAPANESE SHOULD EXPERIENCE THIS THING FIRSTHAND. IF GIVEN A CHANCE I PROPOSE THAT ALL THOSE WHO SAY THESE THINGS ARE FAKE SHOULD BE STRIPPED OFF OF THEIR SKIN AND STAPLE THEM BACK ON INSIDE OUT.
MGA PUTANG INA NYO..
GOOD THING THE AMERICANS DROPPED THE ATOMIC BOMB……..NOW WE’RE EVEN………………BWAHAHAHAHAHA
I think stupidity is airborne in Japan. Look how many imbeciles are denying the Nanking massacre. Heartless morons run your country. I pity your generation. Youre lucky were nothing like you. You’re people didnt have to endure what other people endured from your soulless ancestors. THERE IS NO HONOR IN KILLING PEOPLE who have their hands tied behind their back. But if I were in your shoes I would also deny it ever happened because it was a big disgrace.
Oh my god. Do you think the PRC’s government is making this whole story up? Then why not talk about the US or some other country? They do it because it did happen. The method of making up pictures in order to increase anti-Japanese sentiment in China is wrong. However, it is very general for Chinese people and its government to hate Japanese for what the Japanese did and for still not issuing formal apologies. On the other hand, Germans have been continuously of showing their condoleces to the Jewish people and trying to pay them back which is impossible but the try is appreciated. In the video, the guys says Japan has sent quite a bit of financial aid to China. I, however, highly doubt that Japan did this because they felt sorry for what they did unlike the Germans. If they didn’t think it was profitable, they would not have done it. Damn the Imperialists and the Japanese Nationalists, and they are not history. They still exist. Japan’s brutal acts against the neighbouring countries are not really awared by the world. For instance, using the Nazi sign is illegal or socially unacceptable. But you see the imperial flag of japan of the mark are used on clothing and so on in other countries. I knew the brand which printed the Imperial Japanese flag on its clothes. Unfortunately, I forgot the name so I can’t write that here. Anyway, this has become too long. I hope the Japanese stop spending money on stuff like this, but truly feel sorry for what they did and try to make up for that.
I’d like to point out that in many accounts of this entire thing, the Japanese themselves had the pictures taken. Why? They thought of what they were doing as a sport. They took bets on who could kill and rape the most women for that day. I for one, don’t believe in this moronic little article at all. For one, your English is atrocious, for two, your facts are way off base. You leave out everything that it was PROVEN the Japanese did and let your bias cloud your intellect (if it is existant at all). My grandmother is a survivor of this, married to my grandfather, an American that kept her hidden in the safety zone before taking her back to his own country. I believe her accounts of this far better than I believe your own. She watched her family be murdered before her eyes, and her father be shot over twenty times for refusing to rape her. So how’s that for your self-proclaimed fiction?
Yes, I hate the Japanese. It is a shame that the yanks did not nuke the hole country.
You has to be sick minded to commit this thinks.
To prevent te future of this sick japanese war criminals menkind have to extinguish also the younger generation of those googs
PS: typical japanese with their small dicks.
Long live Europe. Japan eat shit.
Dude I’m glad youre on our side but please, proof read your comment before you submit it…. Peace !
most of the article is prejudice and irreliable. Japan invaded China is a inescapale and doubtableless truth. I know all the propaganda and media are serviced for the gorvenment and politics conflicts. But here is much excessive, even totslly violate history and consciense!
I’m in a total agreement with above letter of jenny(dec.14 2009).Today tv and other media try to change the history at their own use of the political power and it’s undoubtly that the political power everywhere try to maintain itself for ruling over the people by making a uncorrect division of producted wealth.at this aim it may be that massacre has been made bigger than the realty but undoubtely the massacre has happened and undoubtely japan army supported the japanese feudal power of hiro hito, after saved by america.Hiro Hito paid for their acts ?It seems no !!For a real knowledge i must remember to readers that hiro hito was from the part with hitler and mussolini in their idea that fascism and nazism would have conquered the world.70 years are passed
from nanking massacre and japan if today wants to consider his own part democratically and free of nationalism feelings
must recognize that the country was leaded by a bloody dictature who sacrified the people with a war by invading other countries by causing deaths,bloodshed and tragedies.
this is the no more avoiding truth.Al the rest are dramatic consequences.the responsability is all from the part of the king, his family and the way of thinking and actiong of all their part of beneficiaries who took for themselves the most important part of producted wealth.And all this against the interest of the common people.this must be remembered and consequences have been made; also nowdays with anti japanese feelings in china.pls do not try to remove the responsabilities. carlo sacco.
Well talk about history means on what side we look that facts. Because of it it would made us subjective to Judge all evidences..We can understand what’s the chinese people feelling’s about this tragedy so they’re saying this tragedy is really happened but Japanese denied all evidences that nanking targedy occured because they want erase all nicknames as war criminal…so the problem is lies on judgement the facts. For doing that needs objectively to evaluate, research, and investigate all evidences like photos, letters and another evidences comprehensive, with hopelly no more miss understanding between two of them
原点に戻り、約束を順守し、困難を乗り越え、友好を発展する――日中友好協会第11回通常総会における王毅大使の講演
（2005年6月23日）
第11回通常総会開催にあたり、皆さんと一緒に日中関係について語りあうことを、私は大変意義のあるものだと思っています。
振り返ると日中関係は両国政府、そして日中友好協会を代表とする両国国民の努力により、大きな進展を遂げてまいりました。しかし近年来、政治関係の面では、若干、困難に直面しております。中国政府の対日政策はいささかも変化がありません。どんな困難な局面にあっても、われわれは隣国日本との間に長期安定した善隣友好関係を築いていきたいという決意です。
４月23日に胡錦濤国家主席がインドネシアで小泉総理にお会いした機会を借り、中国政府の対日政策を改めて表明しました。そして胡主席は、16文字の対日方針を発表しました。それは「平和共存」、「世代友好」、「互恵協力」、「共同発展」、この16文字をもって新しい中国指導部の対日政策を表現しています。とても前向きな姿勢だと思います。健全で良好な日中関係をふまえ、手を携えてアジアの将来と振興を推進していきたい、とりわけ東アジア共同体の建設に協力していきたいと思います。
それはまさに21世紀に向けて、日本と中国の間の新しい共通利益ではないかと思います。
このような日中関係の見通しを実現するためには、われわれが今、存在する問題を善処する必要があると思います。
いろいろ問題点がありますが、やはりネックになっているのは靖国神社の参拝問題です。それは今、日中両国も皆、そのように認識しているのではないかと思います。この問題に関連していえば、日本には独特な死生観があり、文化もあることをわれわれは十分承知しています。しかし靖国神社の性格はどういうものでしょうか？先の大戦においてどのような役割を果たしたか、おそらく皆さんがわれわれ外国人よりもご存知だと思います。
それでも中国政府は、日本国内の一般兵士も含めて、国民が戦争の被害者であるという立場から、日本の国民が神社に行って自分の親族、親友を偲ぶことは異存はありません。しかしながら日本の指導者が行かれると、おそらく戦争の被害国、とりわけ侵略の被害の最も大きかった中国国民から見れば、受け入れがたいものがあります。それは侵略戦争を起こした戦争の責任者、いわゆるＡ級戦犯が祀られているからです。
この問題をどう解決していくか、いろいろ議論が行われていますが、やはり日本も中国も東洋人ですから約束を守っていく、約束を重んずる、そして約束を行動に移していく、ということを私は強調したいと思います。
その約束は、ひとつは日本と中国の約束です。33年前に日中国交正常化が実現しました。共同声明を発表し、日本側が過去の戦争において、中国国民に対して重大な損害を与えた責任を痛感し、深く反省する、と。あとは対中侵略も認めお詫びをする、という態度をも表明されました。そして中国側はそれをふまえ、両国国民の友好のために、対日戦争の賠償請求権を放棄しました。この約束は、まさに日中国交正常化の土台です。そして日本と中国の関係の政治的な基盤となっています。つまり、日本政府が反省とお詫びを表明された以上、その延長線で侵略の責任者であるＡ級戦犯のところに行かないということは、この約束にかなうことになります。
ふたつめの約束は、日本と国際社会の間の約束です。日本政府は東京裁判の結果を受け入れてサンフランシスコ条約に加盟し、国際社会に復帰しました。それは日本戦後の再出発です。しかしわれわれが今、見てるように、靖国神社のほうが東京裁判の正当性について疑問を投げかけています。そのような状況のもとで参拝するかどうかの問題は、まさに日本と国際社会で結ばれた約束を守れるかどうかに関わってくるわけです。
ですから、今、このふたつの原点に戻る必要があります。ひとつの原点は日本と中国の国交正常化、もうひとつの原点は日本の戦後の再出発。このふたつをふまえ、日本と中国の約束、そして日本と国際社会の約束。ふたつの約束を再確認する必要があるのではないか、と思っています。そして、その約束を実際の行動に移して頂き、問題の解決の策を探っていくべきではないか、と思っています。
それでは、中国の立場が日本の内政に干渉しているのではないか、という指摘がありますが、私はそうではないと思います。すでに国際的に裁かれ、国際的に認定されたＡ級戦犯は、そのほとんどが日本の対外侵略、とりわけ対中侵略に深く関わっています。ですからＡ級戦犯をどう見るか、Ａ級戦犯に関わる問題をどう扱うかは、もはや単純な日本の内政問題を越え、国際社会から注目され、ひとつの外交問題にもなっています。
また、日本に圧力をかけてくるのではないか、という批判も聞こえますが、今はむしろ日本側の圧力をわれわれが感じています。中国側は余分な要求をしていません。１９８５年以後の状況に戻って頂ければ、この問題も解決します。これは圧力ではありません。むしろ日中両国の友好の大局から出発し、善意ある隣人からのすすめです。
歴史の問題は、結局、日本自身の問題です。最終的に日本自身が自主的に判断を下すものです。どのようにして日本の国益にかなっていくか、戦争の被害国の国民と真の和解、心の和解ができるか、近隣諸国と仲良くつきあっていけるか、という角度から、賢明な判断を期待しています。
靖国神社の問題が解決しても、また別の問題が出てくるという議論がありますが、私はそうではないと思っています。この問題は日中関係に刺さっている棘のようなものであり、ネックのような存在です。これを解決していけば、両国の信頼関係も回復できますし、ハイレベルの交流のドアも開け、両国関係も改善の途につくことになります。それは両国の国益に合い、アジア諸国からも期待されていることです。そして、他の問題の解決にも積極的なインパクトを与えるのではないかと信じています。
最近、日本国内で、靖国神社の問題によって、先の大戦をどう認識するか、いろいろ議論を行っています。もうすでに60年たちました。少し遅くなっていますが、私はこの議論に意味があると思います。そしてどういう結果が出るか、中国も含め、アジアの近隣諸国が見守っています。私は、日本の将来について積極的な影響が生まれる議論になって頂きたい。そして日本の社会全体の良識が必ずや国際社会に応えてくれる、と信じています。
両国の最初の友好団体である日中友好協会は、55年間、新中国とともに発展してこられました。歴代の会長の指導のもとで困難を克服し、日中国交正常化、そして平和友好条約の締結、あるいは日本と中国の各分野の交流を促進するために多大な貢献をされてこられました。今日、この機会をお借りし、全国の日中友好協会の皆さんに、中国政府を代表して心から感謝の意を表したいと思います。
歴史は21世紀に入っています。日中関係も国交回復して以来、まれに見る複雑な状況に直面しています。特に国民感情のほうが必ずしも好ましい方向ではありません。こういうときこそ、日中友好協会が友好の伝統を生かして、日中関係の健全、かつ両国の発展のために役割を果たして頂きたい、と希望しています。
ひとつは日中友好の信念を貫いていかなければなりません。問題は確かに多く、状況は複雑になっています。しかしこういう時こそ、日中友好の旗印を高らかに掲げる必要があるのではないかと思います。というのは、日本と中国は永遠の隣国です。日中関係の未来はひとつしかありません。仲良く子々孫々、付き合わなければなりません。ですから友好を堅持し、その信念を貫いていくことは、日本の国益や、両国国民の願い、時代の流れに合っていると思います。
二つめは民間交流を拡大し、相互理解を深めていくことです。日本も中国も大きく変化しています。ですから、むしろ新たな相互理解が必要です。今、民間レベルの交流がいろいろな分野で行われています。私は時々、地方に講演に行きますが、その度に、日中の交流は日本の市町村まで浸透していると感じます。本当に素晴らしいことです。そういう地方レベルの交流が、日本と中国の関係を支えていると思います。このような交流が日中関係がどんなことになっても続けられ、深化していけると私は思います。そこで日中友好協会が、いろいろな民間交流の中核的な役割を果たされるのではないか、と思います。というのは、皆さん、中国のことを一番知っていますし、中国とのパイプがあり、経験も豊かですから、民間交流のいろいろな分野において、役割を果たされるのではないか、と確信しています。
三つめは、地方交流の時代に備えていくことです。今の友好姉妹関係は、すでに２２６組となっています。そして協議書のサインはしていませんが、いろいろなかたちで交流をしているのは、数え切れないほど存在しています。今は中国の地方もどんどん成長し、力がついているため、外国との交流に熱心になっています。日本のほうも改革が進み、地方自治体もその役割が強化されていくのではないかと思います。これは地方交流を促進する上でプラスになります。
そして皆さんご存知のように、中国政府は最近、科学的な発展を目指し、さらに調和のとれた社会を作ろうという大方針を出しています。ＧＤＰ追求だけではなく、これからは環境の保護、人材の育成、社会保障、教育振興、いずれも地方の政府、民間のレベルで強化しなければなりません。そうなると地方レベルの交流でたくさんチャンスが生まれてくるのではないか、と私は考えています。
また、これから中国も循環型の社会をつくる、という方向性を出しております。この循環型社会というと、日本は世界で一番進んでいるのではないか、と思います。大いに日本に学ぶ必要があるんじゃないかと思っています。地方交流の時代に備えるために、私は各都道府県の友好協会が、まさにその橋渡しの役割を果たされるのではないかと思います。
最後の提案は、後継者を養成していくことです。日中友好は次の世代へ引き継がなければなりません。そしてより多くの方々が、日中友好の交流に参加することが期待されております。ですから日中友好協会も、若い人を惹きつける活動をもっと活発に展開することを期待しております。スポーツや文化、あるいは教育、といった分野において日中友好の活動を展開し、より多くの若い人が日本と中国関係の重要性を知り、日中間で友達が多くできることを希望しています。中国大使館は、皆さんの活動を全面的に支持していきたい所存です。
最後に日中友好協会のますますの発展、そして皆さんのご健勝をお祈りし、私の挨拶といたします。ありがとうございました。
崔天凱大使の中日共催中国人俘虜殉難者追悼慰霊活動でのあいさつ
本日、日中友好宗教者懇話会と中国人俘虜殉難者慰霊実行委員会の入念な組織と手配の下で、殉難者の遺族および両国の各界の人々がここで中国人俘虜殉難者のために合同追悼慰霊活動を行っている。中国大使館を代表しまた私個人の名で、かつての戦争中にひどい迫害を受けた強制連行殉難同胞に謹んで心からの哀悼の意を表する。
強制連行は日本軍国主義が中国侵略戦争中に起こしたこの世の惨劇である。４万人近い中国人が日本の各地に強制連行されて重労働を行い、さまざまの非人間的扱いを受け、６０００人余りが異郷で亡くなった。強制連行中国人の悲惨な境遇は日本軍国主義の侵略戦争の縮図として、双方で永遠に銘記すべきものだ。
今年は強制連行中国人の遺骨発掘６０周年にあたる。われわれは殉難者の悲惨な境遇を振り返り、哀悼の気持ちを表すと同時に、侵略戦争の残酷さ、平和・友好の貴さを一層深くかみしめている。中日両国は共に、歴史を鑑とし、未来に目を向ける精神で、過去の不幸な歴史を正しく認識し、歴史の教訓を深く汲み取るべきで、決して痛ましい歴史を繰り返してはならない。
現在、中日関係は新たなスタート地点に立ち、新たな発展のチャンスを迎えている。両国国民はいま手を携えて戦略的互恵関係を推進し、中日の平和共存、代々の友好、互恵協力、共同の発展の実現に努めている。われわれは、せっかく得られたこの局面を大いに大切にし、たえず発揚し光り輝かせて、両国国民の根本的利益の実現に役立てるとともに、強制連行中国人を含むすべての戦争犠牲者の霊を慰めるようにすべきである。
この数十年間、日中友好宗教者懇話会と中国人俘虜殉難者慰霊実行委員会に代表される日本の広範な友人、特に仏教界の友人と在日華僑は道義と良識にのっとって、殉難者の遺骨を捜し、掘り起こし、送り届けるために心血を注ぎ、中日の永遠の不再戦と子々孫々の友好のためにたゆまぬ努力を払ってきた。日本の仏教界は早くも１９５０年代に、１０余回にわたって遺骨を収集、送還しており、その義挙は周恩来総理の高い評価を受けた。この機会を借りて、日本の古い世代の友人と在日華僑に心からの敬意を表する。同時に今回の慰霊活動が、両国人民が歴史を振り返り、平和を祈願する厳かな行動となるだけでなく、双方が交流を深め、友誼を増進する重要な契機になるよう期待し、またそうなるものと信じている。
Oh please, the savagery of the Japanese people is legendary. It is a waste of time even discussing it as there is too much proof and photographic evidence. The real crime is that they were never tried for war atrocities, never apologised for their abominations. The outside world should FORCE this knowledge on Japanese children so that they know about their blood soaked heritage. I am Australian and there are still older Australians who would never consider a Japanese person as a human being.
Dear blogger…
Ok, let’s be honest here, you most likely wrote this article for 2 reasons: 1) you wanna influence the unfortunate souls that have not yet had a chance to become acquainted with our two best friends called History and Research, and 2) you just wanted to generate some clicks onto your blog by pissing people.
I doubt I am part of the first category… in that sense, education did me some good there… but I gotta admit, your second purpose got me. Seeing that i’m commenting, I probably already played into your fields… but heck, since i’m writing this crap already, i might as well take my creativity out for a ride.
Simply saying that you should go give yourself a prostate massage with a large zucchini does not seem to come close to expressing the amount of crap i suffered from perusing your work.
Propaganda exists in all states, under one form or another. I acknowledge that. Not being able to identify propaganda from solid, factual information, however, is what makes you the dumb fcuk you are. No, not the brand.
Your challenging what is now international acknowledged to be objective history is nothing short of willing ignorance… that, being the ignoring of all facts that do not fit the narrative you wish to project as “information”, “research”, or “history”.
You have much to learn from FOX NEWS. At least they make it funny to watch (though i’d be surprise if they intended that… they just don’t think their audience is that hard to brainwash….. neither do you, apparently).
So, let’s talk sources. How ’bout the friendly competition two WWII japanese officer had in Nan Jing (AKA NanKing)? You know, the one where they see who can behead the most chinese civilians with their katanas? Chinese propaganda? this was published in the “Tokyo Nichi Nichi Shimbun”, or “Tokyo Daily News”, in 1937. The photo suggests it was something you guys were quite proud of.
The winning lieutenant murdered 106 people. The poor loser followed by 105 murders. Both were trialed and executed after the war.
So, for all the kinky sons of frail canines out there, i’m not trying to convince you. It’s not really about debating… it’s about not giving a damn. But this is really for those who have not had the time to pick up ANY recognized history text book to read about the sick shiet the japanese army did.
As for you ignorant portions of digestive outcome, you may carry on with that prostate massage of yours… may i suggest the japanese delicacy of many, many, many horribly insisting tentacles?
Almost forgot to include the link for the new paper about the killing competition…
NOW you may proceed with that massage of yours.
My daughter whom is 33 yrs old is 1/2 Japanese,the renouned Anthony Marr first showed me photos of the Japanese Invasion in which his mother had almost been kidnapped by the Japanese to be used as a sex slave and tortured but fortunately under the gise of darkeness escaped and and relocated to Canada,after reading and seeing photos of the Japanese invasion I was shocked beyond belief,my daughter does not know of this and I will not let her know,she is a kind and gentle being and for her to view this side of her father culture would be devastating to her,her Japanese grandparents had been imprisoned in the interment camps after the Pearl Harbor Bombings and they born Japanese Americans,I had not realized the atrosities the Japanese had committed in WW2 and I wish now I still didn’t,my views of them have changed a wee bit!
well your daughter is already 33 (34 as I write this comment) so I believe she is mature enough to think and judge things critically.
all japs is an animall….
Japan doesn’t need to say sorry of a case of false accusation.
The San Francisco Treaty in 1951 served officially to end WW2, to end formally Japan’s position as an imperial power, and to allocate compensation to Allied civilians and former prisoners of war who had suffered the Japanese war crimes. Also, the treaty shows the allied powers and Japan will never condemn each countries all of acts.
However, Chinese incited an American Democratic politician to establish a new Nanking Massacre Museum in the U.S.. The politician has very close ties with the Chinese-American community. He received 110,000 dollars from them in 2006(Wiki). Why do they need to do such a ridiculous acts? Chinese false propaganda is still ongoing. In solid fact, Japan lost the war, so they apologized 16 times to China. Moreover, Japan is paying ODA money instead of war compensation to China even now.
However, Chinese government has not told this fact to people. You know, acts of abominable cruelty happened in every county in war history. The My Lai Massacre was the mass murder conducted by a unit of the U.S. Army on March 16, 1968 of 347 to 504 unarmed citizens in South Vietnam, all of whom were civilians and a majority of whom were women, children (including babies) and elderly people.
Lai Daihan is people born to a South Korean father and a Vietnamese mother during the Vietnam War. The 228 Massacre was an anti-government uprising in Taiwan that began on February 27, 1947 and was violently suppressed by the Kuomintang (KMT) government. Estimates of the number of deaths vary from ten thousand to thirty thousand or more. Also, Tibet and Uugure problems are the same.
Why is the CCP loudly denouncing the ‘Nanking Massacre’ only which had been insisted on its happening more than sixty years ago, but not even clearly defined?
For a half century after WW2, Japan has kept silence whenever and however we were falsely accused of this problem. Now, Japanse should break the silence!
China has no right to accusing crimes of so-called Nanking Massacre to Japan because the massacre was made up story using fabricated evidence. Obviously, what China says is pure fiction. Demonstrating the fake story of Chinese government is one of the charges of libel.
Raising an objection of Japanese against Chinese propaganda is very natural.
no amount of “apologies” and no amount of money will bring back not one life killed. to deny the events that happened in nanking and what the Japanese soldiers had done is in itself an atrocious act.
the Japanese “unit 731” and Hitlers holocaust only tells me there is no extent to the evils of the human race.
朝香進一「初年兵日記」 Ｐ１４０～ １９３８年８月２９日
夕方、私たちの宿舎に九中隊の帰還兵が三名泊まりに来た。彼等はアゴヒゲを伸した中年男で、彼等の話によると中隊は張戴港を引き揚げ、近日中に岳口へ移動して来ると言うのである。
夜、私たちは帰還兵をかこんで体験談を聞くことにした。彼等は予備役で召集を受け上海戦、除州作戦に参加、大別山系の敵陣を突破し、二ヵ月前に漢水沿岸に展開したと言うのである。戦争とは何だろうか？ 私たちは興味と関心をもって彼たちの話に耳を傾けた。
彼等は水筒の中からチャンチュウ（支那酒）を取り出し、ちびりちびり呑みながら語り出した。
「戦争は決してかっこうの良いものではない。狂気の沙汰であり、人前で話すこともはばかれることなんだ。お前たちは初年兵だから特に話すので。他言は決してするな。ここだけの話にして聞き流してくれ・・・」と、前置きしながら、まず上海戦の模様についてこもごも話を進めた。
上海戦は苛烈なザンゴウ戦で、壕の中で敵と対峙し、鉄砲弾の弾幕のもと進むことも退くことも出来ず、二日二晩ヒザまでつかって戦闘を続けた。壕の傍らに小さな穴を掘って用便を済まし、また壕の中の汚水を飲んだので多くの戦友がコレラを患い、死亡したと言うのである。
南京攻略戦では、住民が反抗的態度に出たと言うので、「十里四方の住民全部を殺せ」という軍命令が出された。兵隊たちは村落を包囲し、手当り次第、住民を銃剣で突き殺した。婦女子は特にむごい殺し方をした、と彼等は酔がまわるほどに手ぶり、身ぶりで、その状況を実演して見せるのである。その残酷さは目をおおわせるものがあった。
夜半、帰還兵の一人、泣き上戸の彼が泣きわめきながら、
「許してくれ―おれのせいじゃないんだぞ―」と、暗いローソクのもとで半狂乱の姿をさらしていた。
私はなかなか寝つかれなかった。それにしても妻子のある分別盛りの兵隊が、無差別に婦女子を殺害するなど信じられない気がした。もし、自分に「虐殺命令」が出された場合、どのような態度をとるべきか、私にはわからなかった。
＊ゆう注
著者の朝香氏は、京都市伏見に住み、１９３９年５月、召集を受けて新潟県高田歩兵三十聯隊に入営しました。
氏は、１９３９年８月１３日、船で揚子江に入り、８月２１日、漢口に上陸。８月２７日、「補充要員」として、第十三師団・五十八連隊・第三大隊・九中隊に配属されました。上の記述は、漢口に駐屯していた時の体験談です。
氏は、その後１９４２年１０月、予備役から除役されて京都伏見に帰っています。
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Chinese Chairman Mao massacred their own people, didn’t he ?
There was a war in China, and it is very natural many people were killed. However, what Chinese said are usually “Untrustable”.
It is known that China is a country of liar, even today.
Japan too then. And the USA. And many other countries/governments. don’t forget what wikileaks discovered.
To all who posted the comments. THE NANKING ATROCITIES DID HAPPEN. As for the pictures, if it is fake doesn’t mean the atrocities didn’t happen. One of the logic, the Japs commented on the pictures is that ‘No one will pose when murdering someone’
For your information, Japs at that time are arrogant bastards they are proud of what they did. They will pose to show their work. As did the samurai previously. They are proud because their nation has the best firepower in the Asia at that time.
You can ask anyone whose country was occuppied by the Japs during the WWII. Ask them what did the Japs do? They will answer you all sorts of torture that the Japs deviced at that time.
Not all Japs soldiers are inhumane, some of them are good. My grandfather is the living proof. My grandfather (from my mother’s side) is a Chinese by the way, he never had any type of education (so no influence in anti-Japanese ed), he was born here in Sarawak Borneo. During the occupation he was taken as swordsmith (before occupation that was his job too) by the Japs General in the area, then was a cook for the General. This Jap guy taught few things to my grandfather, including how to make good samurai sword.
Some other areas in Sarawak, like my dad’s place, the Japs soldiers are assholes. I remember growing up, I used to listen to eerie stories on how the Japs used to torture, kill and rape the locals. I used to be afraid of the Japs when I was little and to call someone a Japanese was an insult when I grew up. One of their favourite torture technique is making the prisoner drink gallons of soap water, then step on their stomach to pump it all out again. This torture happens widely in Malaysia. I hear stories of how they hide their daughters from the Japs and many more. Even my old high school is haunted by those Japs soldier’s victim (the Japs used my high school as their command centre).
By the way our native did beheaded few Japs in the olden days. Still got the skull to prove it to you all. I’m a headhunter tribe by descendeant.
Well, the Japs did apologise to us and all. But to deny all the inhumane torture, kills and rape is just not right. Ask those people whose grandparents were torture victims they will tell you how the Japs in the olden days act like animals.
So if you tell me no crime was committed in Nanking, I would that is rubbish. Something did happen, but maybe not as what the picture shows, but something did happen. Remember Unit 731.
Don’t apply the norms of today with what happened then.
I’ve only just now heard of the Rape Of Nanking for the first time.
I have always had an amateur interest in history, and am familiar with military history from Greek, Roman, British Empire, WW I and II, Gulf, Nam, Cambodia, Korea, Japan vs China, and an inside and personal knowledge of the Northern Irish troubles.
Initially, I was horrified and repulsed at the atrocities I read about in the Rape of Nanking. The brutality, disrespect for humanity, xenophobic disgust and sheer cold-hearted hatred portrayed by some of the reports on the invasion were literally stomach churning, as well as emotionally disturbing.
Iris Chang, authoress of an aparently revelatory book on the subject, was (understandably) so traumatised and emotionally disturbed by what she saw and heard while researching the book, she committed suicide in 2004.
The theory of a Chinese conspiracy to defame the Japanese is, of course, plausible, but isn’t every conspiracy theory plausible? That’s what makes them place reasonable doubt in the mind of the people of the world. If the incident is deemed to horrific for the average psyche to accept, an alternative theory is an easy way out, and it’s basically ‘swept under the carpet’ of the general human conscience, not to be spoken of again.
A Chinese political ploy? Anti-Japanese propaganda?
Sure, why not!
But let’s not fool ourselves as a joint society, or as a species.
Human beings are capable of the most vile acts of violence and depravity, especially in times of conflict.
A calculated, emotionally manipulated mind is a devious and treacherous organ capable of motivating not just soldiers, but the average person, of such acts of savagery as to shock the aggresor in retrospect.
‘Pack’ mentality, peer pressure, manipulative political suggestion are all capable of converting a lamb to a lion!
I knew of normally sedentary men who became active anti-british militia, and even took part in ‘active service’ against the authorities, due to sustained propaganda and pressure from their friends, so I understand how such atrocities under more sustained peer pressure and politically-charged psychological suggestion could inspire such hatred and brutality in another human being.
The horror of Nanking should never be dismissed as ‘just propaganda’, or fabrication. It is a real possibility, however probable.
If it is fact, it should never be overlooked as an ‘unavoidable part of war’, or that the many lives both ended and destroyed by the atrocities commited, should be viewed as nothing more than ‘collateral damage’.
The fact that so many people were murdered is enough of a moral crime, but the degree of brutality, the savage relish with which they were committed, the apparent support of the soldiers’ military superiors, the sub-human carnivoriety(?) of some of the slaughtering, which was perpetrated on some of the bodies, both before and after death, was so depraved, I find it frightening to acknowledge my own genetic membership of the same species as the ones who committed them.
If the Rape of Nanking is fact, we MUST strive never to harbor such horrific hatred for a fellow human being.
If it is fiction, we must strive never to harbor such horrific hatred for a fellow human being.
History must teach us!
Demographic: White American male, age 20
There is abounding evidence that the Nanking atrocities did occur, however I believe that both sides have probably inflated or deflated the scope of it. The Chinese have an agenda (rightfully so, I believe) that they were victimized by the Japanese. The Japanese mindset I think cannot bear to admit to such things out of shame. But they have been slowly coming around. So, Chinese sources are likely to use a high estimate of the death toll, and the Japanese are likely to use a low estimate. Even with a very conservative estimate, is 50,000 dead any more acceptable than 300,000?
For Westerners, it is easier to accept certain evils that our ancestors or others like us committed because we know that they were not the same people. We are individual minded.
The Japanese mentality (according to a friend of mine who is very into Japanese stuff) is that they are very group minded. This makes it much harder to accept certain evils done by their ancestors or peers, because they feel it reflects much more on them today. Not a viable excuse for denying something like Nanking, but it at least provides a way to understand why it is harder for them than for the Germans to acknowledge the Nazis crimes for example.
I am not saying that the Japanese really killed the Chinese but is not denying it neither, in war, EVERY country commits at least 1 war crime. Yes the Japanese might have killed Chinese people, but Chinese soldiers(the KMT and the communists) did some pretty brutal things(again, I am not saying that it is true) like playing football with decapitated Japanese soldier’s head. So think again next time when talking or thinking about the Nanjing Massacre and what people say about how bad the Japanese soldier’s were.
yes, killings are usually inevitable in wars; BUT what about killing and raping women and even children??? i’m sure there were indeed japanese soliders killed by chinese, but i doubt any japanese women and children were raped and murdered too (as chinese soldiers didn’t land on the small island of japan at all). the japs did this on a large scale and they even cut young girls’ vagina in order to rape them, made family members rape each other and monks had to rape too. this is not at all acceptable even during a war.
Master yinguang
How Could Buddhism help in saving the country and the people？
It’s the retribution for sin.
We should let people know that
good will be rewarded with good and evil with evil.
That’s how we save people.
i belive because nipon troops become monster in indonesia
Japan will suffer…a lot… China will have his revenge, 50, 100 may be in 200 years…. but China will not forget….Once the US has a crisis… China will invade Japan..and NO ONE will stop them… Japan…will no longer exist in 300 years…i am sure about that.
It is a shame that Japan still deny all the atrocities it commited in china in WII war.
Japan owns china a sincere apology, and if they don’t admit and aplogize, pay back is a bitch, it is not like what it was like 60 years ago when you need to send massive troops over to destroy a country, japan is such a misearable little island, The volume of nuke weapon china has now can destroy japan more than ten times in less than 1 hour time. And by the time japan is destroyed, china will deny the bombing for sure just like what japan is doing now.
God bless japan!
To CanadianBeef
> most of the real and original pictures came from Americans and other foreigners, such as religious missionaries and business people.
Could you trust Americans or any other religious missionaries and business people visiting or staying in such a place that war is imminent or going on? I can’t.
Before the Iraqi War, the American people in general were nor very supportive to the war. Even some American veterans who fought in the Gulf War had participated in an anti-war human-shield in Iraq to stop the war. Then, came a story of an American Christian missionary named Ken Joseph Jr. who claimed that he had participated in human shield, but found that the Iraqi people whom he met were all waiting for the war to happen to be released from the brutal rule by Hussein. American media loved his story and released it without questioning how credible his story was.
Ken Joseph Jr. is an Assyrian Christian and he represented the interest of the Assyrian community in Iraq (and not entire Iraqi people) and probably the interest of the American government as well . The Assyrians in Iraq always wanted to have their own state in Iraq.
And how does that negate the evidence?
>The Japanese mindset I think cannot bear to admit to such things out of shame.
I think that one of the reasons that the Japanese question is caused by the attitude of Americans who cite the Nanking Massacre to justify the atomic bombs and other war crimes committed by the U.S. soldiers and to portray the U.S. as the defender of world peace. It seems that the U.S. needs to glorify its victory in WWII so that they can continue their tradition of waging war elsewhere even when there is no justifiable cause.
The American media promoted the Naking Massacre and the story of comfort women under Japan’s rule a lot. However, in the Korean War and the Vietnam War, not only Americans, but also Korean soldiers committed many atrocities against civilians. But the American media or Americans don’t talk about them. So, I guess it is OK for Americans to commit atrocities if you are fighting on the U.S. side.
Just like what Japan was doing across Asia under the pretense of fighting “western imperialism”
what a douchebag! the nanking massacre was as real as the sun and the moon. the things that happened during those days, this motherfu~~~r writer deserves to happen in his family. then he will understand what is real and what is ”fake”.
It was real. They invaded Indonesia too and many countries also. And We Indonesians know it very well. So I believe that Japs did those horrible things to Chinese people here. It’s just shameful to Japan and they of course want to hide the facts about it. Please, just because China fakes things doesn’t mean they fake the history too.
yeah it didnt happened as the invasion of china by imperialist japan it didnt happened either it was just a friendly trip to show chinese people the goodness and well intentions of japan they tried to help only for the benefit of the people maybe your grandma can believe you but day by day throu movies,documentaries,books,internet any media and by any means chinese leaders,from government to private sector are doing with whole trues and half trues,exaggerations an enormus effort and they will succed the task to show to the WORLD what really happened those terrible days.there is a saying in mexico: you cant cover the sun with a finger IT REALLY HAPPENED,surely under maos rule millions of chinese die for stupid crazy political criminal reasons and comparatively is insignificant in the numbers BUT nobody tries to deny it,is a fact very sad and horrible BUT what japanese did is beyond imagination and more,nanking or changjiao are not the only ones,there were thousands of small and medium villages or towns that suffered the same atrocities and barbaries of hate indoctrinated soldiers who followed orders if not they will have same fate or dishonor.Efforts like this to try to cover the truth will succumb,more sooner than later,just for respect of the memory of unknown,mostly innocent,decent people I write this down.SHAME ON YOU FALSIFIER.
From a average Japanese Man’s perspective. Yes, Rape of Nanking happened. Denying something that happened 60-70 years after isn’t going to solve any problems. Are some of the photos fake? Probably. However, there are other clear evidences. We, the Japanese just need to admit our mistake and move on. There is a Japanese saying “武士に二言は無い。” means “Samurai does not question his first judgement.” 本当に日本国って言う国を愛しているならこの武士道精神を忘れず、過ぎたことをくよくよせず、どうすれば日本と言う国家が世界で誇れる国になるかを考えてほしい。南京大虐殺を否定することは世界中の国々から日本のイメージをさげるだけです。
*THE ARTICLE IS BULLSHIT!!!!
It Happened, how about the people who do remember, What they did was terrible! Some Japanese even come foward and tell what happen, THEY DID IT, Just like the germans pretending the holocaust never happened. YOU’RE NOT FOOLING ME! The fuckers who did this shit should of been tortured to death for their crimes. I’m a photo expert myself, they’re REAL, TRUST ME.
Excellent article. I am dealing with a few of these issues
as well..
Your going to say Unit 731 didn’t exist or is real too. Bah. Your ignorance is laughable. Shame on fools if you believe any culture hasn’t any evil acts in their history.
Wow… this post is truly awful.
Look, I am not going to say the Nanking rape was a hoax- colonization is never a pleasant experience. That’s why it’s called colonization and not a moon tribe rave party. But what I have a problem w. is labeling Japan exclusively for it.
We accuse Japan of comfort women. This is a deplorable practice, but when the British did it in their colonies, especially in South Asia it is because “the women were poor and had no other employment options” but when the Japanese do it, they are “savage sex hungry maniacs.” This is double standard.
People complain of unit 731 in Japan, which is valid and horrendous. How about all those blankets w. small pox infections the Westerners distributed to the natives in the Americas? Oops, that was “accidental” I suppose…..
People say Japan exploited the hell out of colonizers and ensured that natives only remain as manual laborers by and large. That’s more or less the same as what the British did in South Asia. During WW2, HUGE swathes of India & Pakistan were starved to ensure the Brit army was amply stocked in food. But who even remembers this or considers this?
I am sure colonization was not a sweet experience to those experiencing it, but it is unfair to exclusively label Japan for it. For some reason, nazi colonization of Europe is white washed. The only black spot on nazis is the extermination of the Jews. But their colonial attitudes are white washed in history. Why is Japan only highlighted? Because they’re Asian?
man you are retarded Japan is the highlight because this is the chief topic of this web page. Do you see photos of nanking?
“https://tamagawaboat.wordpress.com/2007/01/09/photos-of-nanking-massacre/”
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Fake of Nanking!
http://www2.biglobe.ne.jp/~remnant/nankingm.htm
Please give us bigger pictures to prove your lie.
twst
Please give us bigger pictures
It’s hard to come by experienced people in this particular subject, but you
seem like you know what you’re talking about!
Thanks
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オハヨー^^、依存症についてのホームページをつくっています。ボクは今まできつい依存でした。いぞん症には色々な分類があるのですが、わたしは二種類のいぞん症を持っていました。その依存を5年前に卒業できたのですが、自分の家で依存を卒業することがデキました。精神的に弱い人たちが多くの事に中毒になると言われています。自分も自営業をしているのですが、時間的ユトリや精神的によゆうがあったため、快楽を求めてしまったという経験があります。はまるとつよい欲求が産まれます。その快感と格闘するコトが辛いのですが、それも訓練する事で改善する事が出来ます。私も中毒になってる状態から約三ヶ月で改善することが出来ました。お酒とタバコも卒業するコトが出来たのです。以上のような過去の経験を基にユーザーの役に立つコトを自分のホームページでは書いていますので、閲覧してもらえたら幸せです。あなたのパートナーが依存症になった場合も、じぶんが精神的に追い込まれるために危険です。1人でも多くの人に苦しいいぞん症から抜けだして欲しいという思いから、わたしのブログではイロイロな情報を提供してますので、ぜひ参考にしていただけると嬉しいです^^。
An intriguing discussion is worth comment. I think that
you ought to write more about this subject, it may
not be a taboo subject but generally people do not discuss these topics.
To the next! Many thanks!!
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