THE TRUTH OF NANJING MASSACRE
January 9, 2007
When did the world know ”Nanking Incident” for the first time? It is 1946, Nanking Incident was informed at Tokyo Trials(The International Military Tribunal for the Far East: 1946 – 1948, or Judgement at Tokyo). Nanking Incident is said to have happened in December of 1937. And yet, China insisted that more than 200,000 people were slaughtered. Why China did not insist on it for 9 years? Why the world did not know it for 9 years? Why Franklin Delano Roosevelt did not refer it at all?
The United States burnt out main towns in Japan by bombing. The United States dropped 2 different types of atomic bomb upon Hiroshima and Nagasaki. More than 500,000 citizens were victims of US Air Force’s bombing. Most of these victims were Noncombatants included innocent children, women and elder people. It is the fact that US Air Force bombed upon Japanese citizens deliberately on the pretext of reducing Japanese fighting spirit. This is utterly unlawful at International Law. The United States needed to make Japan “Cruel Villain” in order to justify having dropped the atomic bomb. The United States needed “Nanking Massacre”.
日本の歴史教科書での「原爆投下」についての記述は、あまりに奇妙だと思う。「8月6日、広島に人類最初の原爆が投下された」 よく見慣れた文なのだが、変だよね。あたかも原爆が自分の意思で空から落下してきたかのような記述。つまり、本当の主語がない。「アメリカが広島に原爆を投下した」と主語をきちんと明確にして書けばいいのに。ある終戦特集の（終戦という言い方も変だが）討論番組に被爆者の方が出演されておられた。その方が「日本が軍国主義だったから、A級戦犯が戦争を止めなかったから、お終いには原爆が自分のたちの頭の上に落とされたのだ」と発言された。軍国主義が原爆を落としたんじゃない。A級戦犯が原爆を落としたんじゃない。アメリカが落としたんです。
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kojibomb | January 11, 2007 at 11:17 pm
wrong!
Japanese army invaded the US first
don’t you know Pearl harbour?? lol
Americans were not interested in WWII at the beginning even when the allies were getting owned by the Nazi.
They joined the Alies because one of their cruise was accidently destroyed by the Nazi sub, and bombed Japan because japanese first attacked America.
Do not try to justify your actions!
Although there might have been no massacre throughout asia, Japan should not try to justify her invasions (war with the Allies, Chinese, Nationalists, etc) by proving that these things did not happen or many asian countries were developed from them. Invasion is a crime even if not many people were killed. If the US takes over Japan peacefully(maybe only killing small number of people), is that justifiable???
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Riem2k | January 12, 2007 at 7:53 pm
kojibomb i find interesting ur statment “Invasion is a crime even if not many people were killed”, lets not forget what US is doing in Irak and agfhanistan at the moment. They also have invaded other countries through out history just to justify their monopoly of other countries resources.
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Red Bean | January 22, 2007 at 3:28 pm
I don’t think any Japanese intend to justify themselves but they are telling truth.
Fake is fake, fabrication is fabrication.
USA did many war crimes, and it is still violating int’l law.
USA continues WAR since WWII.
USA dropped A-bombs TWICE.
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Michie | February 6, 2007 at 11:50 pm
If invasion is a crime without any exception nearly every country is guilty.
Before I started to research Nanjing I really wanted to believe none of it was true, I love Japan so much, My original intention was to prepare my dissertation to show the portrayal of nanjing as Chinese governmental propaganda. Now, my dissertation will focus on why nanjing is still such a big issue in sino-japanese relatons.
In actual fact the Chinese goverment (authough guilty on a few occasions of bringing history up to try to bully Japan) usually isn’t where the hostility is coming from.
It’s the people and the memories along with a youth maybe a little too enthusiastic over facts that are blurry at best.
Tension between the two countries it seems will always hinge upon this event for a number of reasons.
There have been exagerrations: There are too many Chinese people who hate Japan and the Japanese indescrimately when they don’t understand the facts. (A new phenomenon is Americans taking an anti-japanese view after reading a web site or Iris Cheng’s poor excuse for a book. This is no better)
Yet, on the other hand there are too many Japanese who still choose to believe that no crime was committed. I can understand only too well the anger that can be provoked by over exaggeration but outright denial is not the way.
Extrimists from both sides need to find a middle way. Nanjing really is not comparable to the Holocaust and more people did die during America’s nuclear attacks in Japan. I can see both sides so clearly that i find this really hard.
Please whatever your view back it up. Study,research, and don’t ignore things through fear that they might prove something you don’t want to believe.
THIS IS A MESSAGE FOR EVERYONE NO MATTER WHAT VIEW YOU HOLD.
To deny seems ignorant but to think yr in the right just because you take the victims side is equally ignorant.
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Duncan | March 4, 2007 at 10:00 am
The video is interesting in that there are actually several, quite unrelated messages, whereas the Tamagawaboat only claims one (the 1st one).
1. The Nanking Massacre was fabricated by the Chinese government (the statement assumes the nonexistence of the incident too).
2. The Chinese government conducted genocides of its own in its territory.
3. The Japanese are innocent of any war crimes.
I believe that Tamagawaboat is using the analysis in this video as a rebuttal to the photos given by the Chinese government as evidence for the existence of the Nanking Massacre. If what the professor said was true, then certainly it would cast extreme doubt as to whether the incident had occurred and scorn to the Chinese slanderers. However, there are a few suspicious points about the video itself.
Firstly, I am of the same opinion as the lady in the beginning. If the Chinese sources cannot be trusted then surely, there are some neutral sources that we can trust. The lady mentioned soldier’s diary and that would make for very strong evidence against the incident, but the video didn’t present any. Why not?
As to the trial, it is known that Robert Wilson, Miner Searles Bates, and John Magee had written accounts of the incident through personal letters and diaries.
(see http://www.geocities.com/nankingatrocities/Terror/terror_03.htm)
Why would they contradict themselves while being on trial? It is obvious that either the letters are fabricated or that the said testimony in the video is fake. I would like to see where did the video get its testimonies from.
The foreigner said that since there were no photos of mountains of dead bodies taken by foreign media, the massacre was impossible. The fact is that there are photos of mountains of dead bodies, they are part of the 143 photos submitted by the Chinese and are in the infamous Chang book. The professor did not raise that point though and did not put up another analysis. Also, the pressmen were coming to Nanking after the end of the war. The murderers are sure stupid if they let the bodies lying around.
The most important objection I have though, is the conspicuous bias of this video. The guests invited to the show were all Japanese except for one, and is no expert on the affair at that. There is zero Chinese participation in the video, as though the rebuttal is only for Japanese people to discuss. The Japanese lady with white hair said such incredible things as it is impossible for a Japanese to slaughter a person and that all Chinese doesn’t value human life. Do those statements have anything to do with the argument? No. Are they even true? No. Has any Japanese citizen been convicted of murder since time memorial? Yes, so the first statement is not true. Chinese culture is centered around confucianism until the communist regime took over and at the core of confucian beliefs is the value for human life so the majority of Chinese does value life.
The statements used just serve to demonize China and Chinese people as a whole. That is the same reason why it brought up the Cultural Revolution, Tiananmen Square and the Tibet invasion, all completely irrelevant events that happened decades after World War II. What do you call a message that serves to demonize the opposition? Propaganda. It seems communist China has given up its copyright on its trademark.
As to the third point in the video, I can’t really say anything at this point, but I do agree that belligerency was not a war crime because commencing a war of aggression was not a war crime until the International Criminal Court came about in 2002. However, that doesn’t necessarily translate to “we Japanese are innocent.” In addition, even though it was legal at that time, starting a war of aggression is morally unacceptable so the legal argument is rather moot. If the argument does mean anything though, it means if Japan were to try the same thing again, they would be punished, as it is now 2006.
Tamagawaboat, I would like to see a video with both sides presented.
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nancy | April 1, 2007 at 10:19 pm
your blog does not prove anything
http://nankingmassacres.blogspot.com/
the world is over if blogs can convince people
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nancy | April 1, 2007 at 10:20 pm
mine if you will notice
HAS SOURCES
now where are yours?
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Greg | April 16, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Michie:
Many Chinese do hate the Japanese after WWII and for good reason. The savagery and sadistic actions of the Japanese Army is well documented from New Guinea to Manchuria. The ethnic superiority the Japanese felt is unrivaled in modern history as evidenced by these attrocities. My problem with the denial arguement is if we assume there is no direct evidence for the massacre, then I have to look at the actions of the Japanese army in other areas and theatres. The same atrocities occured over and over. Bayonet practice. Running over POW’s with tanks. Torture. Starvation. Rape.
For me then to to give the benefit of the doubt to the Japanese Army is a real stretch. And there are sources, independent, Western, and asian that we do have to consider.
Also the Nanking massacre is over twice the deaths of Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined. Firebombing of Tokyo with conventional weapons caused much more loss of life.
I don’t blame the Japanese people today with the exception of the government’s refusal to accept responsibility for the horrors Japan inflicted in WWII.
The culture of Japan at the time of the war yielded an ethnic superiority to and dehumanization of all non-Japanese. The crimes committed and the sadistic treatment of conquered people is unrivaled in modern history. The Germans were similar but the cruelty of the regular German soldier doesn’t seem so pervasive as it was with the regular enlisted men in the Japanese army. This is opinion I realize but my basis is the automation of the Holocaust. The German army had severe morale problems with enlisted soldiers shooting civilians. The purely sadistic treatment of POWs and civilians by the regular Japanese soldier seems uncomparable. The German army in Russia and Poland thought the people were subhuman and acted comparably in that situation.
I am no fan of the Communist Chinese Government either. But that does not in anyway justify or lessen the actions of the Japanese Army. Especially after the fact.
The Japanese government should own up to the travesty that they unleashed on the world as Germany did. The honor and otherwise great culture that is Japanese demands it. Even if the Nanking incident is an unlikely falsehood.
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my views.. | April 21, 2007 at 6:29 am
i think,MAYBE,: Japan was forced into WW II to liberate Asia from the yoke of Western colonialism.
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my views..(2) | April 21, 2007 at 6:41 am
chinese should move on,you chinese people have a great country and culture.please do not let “nanking massacre” get you down. move on, and be strong,and be proud. think of the native americans,they are all mostly dead,but you people have it way better than them,you have your country,your amazing culture,but the native american have nothing.japan and japanese people are not the your true enemy. please understand that.
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my views..(3) | April 21, 2007 at 6:59 am
also most japanese people today,do not carry no blood on their hands from world war 2 and sino-japan war,if you hate the goverment of japan, then ok.but please do not hate the innocent people that have no blood in their hand from any war or massacre.
my views..perhaps, does not matter,because im native american.im not japanese or chinese.but i love asia. i love japan,and china. so it make me sad that two country that loves and respect nature ,the way i do, fight with each other. i think the true enemy of the world is white people(european), but i do not say that because,then,people will call me “racist”. i cannot forgive white people for what they did to my people,and culture.but i respect any other people in the world,especially asians.
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my views..(4) to mister "tamagawaboat" | April 22, 2007 at 6:08 am
mister tamagawaboat,
i have been reading your comments on you tube. i think many people misunderstand you.. maybe i,too misunderstand you…
but i respect you,for your good behavior and knowledge. you do not used dirty words like, “fuck” or other dirty words.because of that,and your works, i think your a smart person and kind person.you should be proud of yourself, and your work.
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ancyness | December 4, 2007 at 8:22 am
i think,MAYBE,: Japan was forced into WW II to liberate Asia from the yoke of Western colonialism.
the stupidest thing i’ve ever heard
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Anonymous | July 6, 2008 at 9:25 am
I feel bad for the innocent Chinese. Its too bad Japan is such a bully. Its unfortunate that McArthur didn’t clean Japan up enough after WWII. If he wasnt so worried about Japan becoming communist and focused on making Japan more democractic (Japanese government has been right wing for like 98% of the time), then we wouldnt have nutcases like tamagawaboat trying to revise history to make Japanese seem like virgin angels. Its sad.
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Yamato Damanashi | October 17, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Im sure we are all aware of pearl harbour yet many, including kojibomb, no very little about the facts. Pearl harbour was a US military installation and was attacked as a pre-emtive strike due to America’s hostile trade and oil embargo’s placed on Japan. Contrary to what most Americans believe, the US government desperately wanted in on the war but needed a suitable excuse. As for the cruise ship sunk by the U-boat, the US deliberately placed a civilian liner in hostile waters even after repeated warnings by the Germans to stay clear of the waters.
Your viewpoint is typical of the Western imperialistic double standard stance…Its fine for a western power (British, dutch, American) to invade and colonise a nation/continent yet when an Asian power such as Japan conducts such an expedition its considered a world threat!
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KCL | March 17, 2009 at 9:39 pm
I expected there should be something better so that one can see the hope on this argument. Now I don’t know, may be I am just one with naïve ideal that never comes true. But I like to share what I have in my mind.
First of all, human right is the foremost and most fundamental value we have to keep over any other idea. Then we can see the simple conclusion that the war itself is crime;
(1) All kinds of wars (I never heard single war without any killing of human life) are crime. All though we can give some justification for the fighting back against invader who broke the war first, apparently the one who used first violence (military methods) is to be regarded as invader and criminal. Yes, W. Bush should go to the court as war criminal. And even civil wars should be included as this crime.
This might sound too much, as in the history, war seems a part of human nature, we couldn’t stop wars even now a days; Iraq, Georgia, Israel… . Well, think about murder, do we consider murder as normal since it happens all the time? War and murder must be regarded as crime. We actually stopped slavery and witch hunt by changing the way of thinking.
(2) We have resolutions by Geneva conventions; this is the least improvement we made as reality for the rescue of human right from cruelty of war. So everybody would admit that military activity which is against invader with keeping Geneva convention can be regarded as righteous deed. I agree too, there is danger in this view point though.
Let’s go back to Nanking massacre: what we can learn from this tragic incident is to realize; how imperfect being we are indeed (not only for Japanese but also for all the nations), that we can fall into this much dehumanizing crime easily at war, so that we can prevent this crime from happening again!
One thing is clear that so far we haven’t developed enough for the right way of thinking that the war and destroying human right are crime for any reason.
We have to teach the lesson of past tragic incidents such as Nanking in the school and have to build UN strong so that we, all the different nations in the world can live in peace in the future.